PDA

View Full Version : NICHOLAS CULESMITH PHOTO SCAM WASHINGTON&OREGON


mommasaurus
11-27-2005, 02:44 AM
NICHOLAS CULESMITH a wedding photographer operating in the states of Washington and Oregon, has scammed bride after bride by taking wedding photos and leaving town. Each bride paid a deposit at booking and the balance due on or by the wedding day. In some cases he will deliver proofs, collect orders from the family (and payment up front!) and then disappear. In other cases, he takes photos and leaves without taking orders from proofs, but fully paid. At any rate, ]the new couple is left with NO photos of their wedding day.

He operates this scam with his assistant/girlfriend, Mary Rothey and registers his business under fictitious names. Please pass the names of NICHOLAS CULESMITH and MARY ROTHEY on to any family or friends that might hire a photographer in the future.

Since posting a similar warning on another wedding chat site in late October of 2005, I've been contacted by new victims on the average of one every ten days, so there are a lot of couples who have been hurt by this man. Each person I've talked to has been a very intelligent, professional person - meaning, Culesmith is a slick salesman and YOU are not too intelligent to be taken in. He is Brittish, has a noticeable accent, used to drive a blue Miata. By now he may be operating under another name. It will be up to you to figure out whether your photographer is who he says he is.

TIPS:
1) Just because a vendor has a booth at a wedding show in a large city --this does NOT make that vendor honest. (My daughter hired this man from the show in Seattle. Apparently they don't check history or background.

2) Ask to see his driver's license. Record the number and save it.

3) Check with the Better Business Bureau in your state - have them check on the photographer's company AND his/her name. Make sure the name the company registered to actually matches the photographer. Our scammer registered his company under a fictitious name - which tells us he had intent to defraud from the beginning.

4) DO NOT PAY EVERYTHING UP FRONT!!!!! Hold back at least half until the final photos are in your handsIf you give all monies up front, there is no incentive for the photographer to deliver goods.

5) Use photographers that have been recommended by a friend. Don't simply pick a nice name off the Internet or out of the phone book without planning to do a LOT of homework checking references, etc.

6) Be forewarned that a contract is just a piece of paper..... and so is a court judgment requiring the photographer to reimburse for lack of delivery. Nicholas Culesmith has several judgments against him in court, but carefully put assetts in someone else's name. Sueing someone with nothing will award you nothing.

7) If your state or county has a .gov site where you can find judgments or cases, use this to research your vendors under their company name or personal name.

Most of the photographers you are likely to hire are ethical and trustworthy and this posting is not intended to cast a negative view of them. I am taking the time to write this because I don't want one more girl going through the disappointment and hurt as my daughter and all the newly-found victims did. I want you all to have a wonderful and memorable wedding day.

With kind thoughts for each of you --
Mom

Mark Lawley
12-07-2005, 11:40 PM
Let me suggest that you contact the Attorney General's office in your state. They will have the resources to find thiese folks and bring it to a resolution. There may still be the possibility that these brides could receive photos from their weddings. The State AG can and will help.


4) DO NOT PAY EVERYTHING UP FRONT!!!!! Hold back at least half until the final photos are in your handsIf you give all monies up front, there is no incentive for the photographer to deliver goods.


There IS motivation for honest and reputable photographers to deliver; - our reputations.
Many wedding photographers (myself included) require full payment before services are rendered. One of the reasons we do, is that WE have been ripped off. Another is that it always seems to take a LONG time to be paid the remainder of the balances. In some cases, photographers have worked hard and produced a beautiful set of wedding photographs (or album) only to find that the marriage didn't last a month, and no one wanted to pay the remaining balance, so the photographer lost out.
The key is to CHECK OUT any and every wedding vendor before you hire them. You get what you pay for, ONLY if you do your homework.
Hire good people, and trust them.

Mark

WebLady
12-27-2005, 11:59 PM
I am always sorry to hear when brides have been scammed. And sadly, I hear alot about photography scams.

As with any vendor you hire, take the time to research them, shop around, and always, always, get a signed contract!

...
1) Just because a vendor has a booth at a wedding show in a large city --this does NOT make that vendor honest. (My daughter hired this man from the show in Seattle. Apparently they don't check history or background.

I agree, the people running these types of shows don't care about anything but the money the vendor pays for the booth

2) Ask to see his driver's license. Record the number and save it.

I am sorry but I wouldn't ever give anyone my driver's licence number ... how about ask to see their business license.

3) Check with the Better Business Bureau in your state - have them check on the photographer's company AND his/her name. Make sure the name the company registered to actually matches the photographer. Our scammer registered his company under a fictitious name - which tells us he had intent to defraud from the beginning.

This is a good idea but I have noticed that not every company will be listed in the BBB, many are not listed until someone submits a complaint about them. So just because you don't find them in the BBB doesn't mean they are bad

4) DO NOT PAY EVERYTHING UP FRONT!!!!! Hold back at least half until the final photos are in your handsIf you give all monies up front, there is no incentive for the photographer to deliver goods.

Like Mark said, there are many reputable wedding vendors that require full payment ... this is quite common with many different vendors I know and have worked with.

5) Use photographers that have been recommended by a friend. Don't simply pick a nice name off the Internet or out of the phone book without planning to do a LOT of homework checking references, etc.

I defiantly agree here. Ask for references, ask to see full wedding samples, don't settle for just a handful of random nice shots. Give yourself time to visit a few different photographers before you hire one.

6) Be forewarned that a contract is just a piece of paper..... and so is a court judgment requiring the photographer to reimburse for lack of delivery. Nicholas Culesmith has several judgments against him in court, but carefully put assetts in someone else's name. Sueing someone with nothing will award you nothing.

It is true that even with a court ordered judgement it doesn't always mean that you will get your money back. There are people in the business of "Judgement Collecting" because of this very fact. And if you sue someone with nothing there isn't much left for you to get. Wedding Insurance can cover you in a case like this though :) But in cases like this you get the satisfaction that the Judgment will be on their credit and that it will tarnish their reputation. But without a contract you won't have a leg to stand on. All in all, a good contract with a reputable business will protect both you and the vendor. Ask to see a copy of the contract before hand, read and understand it and don't be afraid to ask questions.

7) If your state or county has a .gov site where you can find judgments or cases, use this to research your vendors under their company name or personal name.

This is always a good idea too but again, you may not find every business in your area listed. One sign of a serious business person is the fact that they take the time to get a business license ... even if they are home based and part time. So check with the county they are in and see if they have a business license and ask to see it. But then again, there are a few freelance vendors that will give great service and that won't have one.

Again, I am so sorry to hear of things like this and I wouldn't wish anything like this on anyone!

Best wishes to you all!

~ WebLady :)

usahgrad
12-28-2005, 07:23 PM
This kind of stuff makes me sad. How awful are people when they have no problem stealing from someone in that manner? :bbcry:

Thanks for the forwarning.

fstopusa
12-29-2005, 10:32 AM
I also really hate to hear this kind of tale. This type of scam artist makes it all the harder for those of us who are truely trying to provide quality service to our clients. I hope they find these people before they hurt anyone else.

robindepaula
01-06-2006, 09:11 PM
well said - I'm one of the honest photographers that has been burned a number of times . . . never got paid for all my hard work & many hours invested! I will never again provide wedding photography services without being paid 2 weeks in advance.

Tiggerprincess
01-07-2006, 03:20 AM
I have a personal friend that i have known for years doing my wedding photos..