Religion

[Kacie_bride]

What do you consider yourself? I'm just curious.

[WhiskeyGirl]

I don't consider myself anything. I am religious in only the sense that I believe in a higher power such as good, I do not attend church nor do I want to. I believe that I can believe in my religion and have no repercusions. I still pray to God, I just don't believe in the bible or organized religion.

[Kacie_bride]

I don't consider myself anything. I am religious in only the sense that I believe in a higher power such as good, I do not attend church nor do I want to. I believe that I can believe in my religion and have no repercusions. I still pray to God, I just don't believe in the bible or organized religion.

Sorry it took me a little while to get the poll up!!!!

[WhiskeyGirl]

Sorry it took me a little while to get the poll up!!!!

Lol it's ok I can still vote.

[Kacie_bride]

I guess I should answer my own question. I was born a Lutheran and will probably die one. It's possible that I might go to a different church, but I don't forsee it. Some of my family have started to attend a Methodist church. Justin was Baptist, but now goes to a Lutheran church with me. It's nice that he does, but if he didn't that would be okay. I guess when children came into the picture we might have had some differences if he did not decide to become Lutheran. I'm more into it than him anyway.

[WebLady]

I consider myself a Christian (added that choice to the poll ;)) but I do not go to church (sometimes I go to bible study and I use to go to an underground church). I do not agree with most of the mainstream/traditional churches and religions. I am not at all what most people would think of as a 'Normal Christian' though.

I guess my faith is more focused on love and grace ... not who you are or what you wear and all that cr@p ;)

[Kacie_bride]

I consider myself a Christian (added that choice to the poll ;)) but I do not go to church (sometimes I go to bible study and I use to go to an underground church). I do not agree with most of the mainstream/traditional churches and religions. I am not at all what most people would think of as a 'Normal Christian' though.

I guess my faith is more focused on love and grace ... not who you are or what you wear and all that cr@p ;)

I've always wondered every time you have said this. What is an underground church?

[WebLady]

I've always wondered every time you have said this. What is an underground church?
Well I always use that term as I don't really know what else to call it. The services were held in a bar (now they have their own building) and ppl came in their everyday clothes. There were tattooed and peirced ppl there; rockers, bikers, hippies, punks, etc.

[Kacie_bride]

Well I always use that term as I don't really know what else to call it. The services were held in a bar (now they have their own building) and ppl came in their everyday clothes. There were tattooed and peirced ppl there; rockers, bikers, hippies, punks, etc.

Oh, so I guess it's like the equivilant of a cowboy church for rockers, bikers, etc. Sometimes they have that at rodeos/sale barns or sometimes they have their own buildings. They go in their everyday clothes and are they are country type people.

[ElizabethV.]

I voted other. I was baptised and raised Catholic, but I'm not practicing. I consider myself agnostic.

[SerendipityCrafts]

I attended the United church when I was younger but I would have to say that I have spent the majority of my life attending a Presbyterian church. My Dad was born in Scotland and it's otherwise known as the Church of Scotland there.

I have attended about 4 different Presbyterian churches as an adult and I find it interesting to find that some were almost evangelical while others were pretty "stiff". I am thinking this has more to do with the minister & congregation than anything else. I always thought they would be the same.

[Trin]

I don't consider myself anything. I am religious in only the sense that I believe in a higher power such as good, I do not attend church nor do I want to. I believe that I can believe in my religion and have no repercusions. I still pray to God, I just don't believe in the bible or organized religion.

That is me as well :) exactly!

[katieandalex]

I'm baptized Catholic but I'm not non-practicing....I think I've been to church like 10 times my whole life.

[hummingbird521]

Born and raised church of christ. But after meeting and dating Jerry and finally marrying I was baptised in the Methodist faith. I miss going to church now that I am having to work on Sundays.

[Jenn060306]

I consider myself to be Christian. I belive in god but i don't belive in all the different rules that the different Churches have.
My father is Presbyterian and my mother is Anglican but i was baptised United. My husband is Catholic and we attend mass at the Catholic Church. I don't belive in all the same things. But i like taking the time to reflect on the week and listening to the music.

[nic1124]

I was baptized catholic, went to church school till high school but never made my confirmation. Kev is presbyterian. We are getting married in his church and will probably take our kids there when we have kids.

[AllyM1]

I was raised in a non-denominational church, however the teachings were based off of Baptist teachings. Therefore, I have always considered myself a Baptist and I go to a Baptist church.

Luckily my DH was raised in a Baptist church so we don't have any religious differences and it will be really easy when sending our kids to school and church.

[ikkin510]

I was also raise in a non-denominational church, but it was most like baptist. I love the church. We had contemperary music, and wore jeans to services. The messages were not just bible stories. I was taking what is in the bible and applying it to our lives today. I have been living here for almost 3 years now and have not found a church that I feel totally comfortable in. I am a christian though and worship on my own until I find a place which have services I like. I use to attend a wonderful bible study until my work schedule changed and now I can not attend meeting.

[BriansBride07]

I was raised catholic, baptised, communion, comfirmation. Had to go to sunday school and church every sun. until I was 14 then only had to go on the holidays and ash wed. argh I hated ash wed. anywhoo. I no longer go to church not even on holidays. I still believe in god but don't think that I have to go to a church and prove it to others, in the sense of that is where my $ is to go, my prayers ect. I pray when and where I want to and not on a daily basis. My children are not baptised and will not be until they become adults and decide what religion if any they want to be. this decision has made a bunch of arguements on both sides of our family but oh well we are the parents not them. My children both know about god and do believe that there is a higher power. Brian was raised methodist but does not believe that the name for him is God he states its a higher power with no name. Sorry if I offended anyone on my beliefs. That was not my intention. JMO.

[SaralovesMike]

I was raised Catholic (baptised and confirmed) but not practicing. Mom made sure we went to Cathecism (sp?) and after that it was up to us.

I would like my kids to experience the Catholic religion but ultimately will let them make the decision when they are old enough. FH's family is Presbyterian but again not practicing.

[mj512]

Well as most of you know, I go to Olivet Nazarene University and will be ordained in the Nazarene church as a Children's Pastor


I've read a lot of your guys responces, and I think you would be surprise at how many churches now days do not care what you wear to church and such... I am a member of the Nazarene church (pretty traditional) and I wear jeans regularly and have never felt uncomfortable -for me church isn't about what I am wearing, or who is there, ect. it literally is my life. all of my decisions are based upon it, and everything from my career to my day to day life is based on it...

BUT I think you all know that about me by now lol

[max'sonlyone]

Well, since my religion that I was born and raised in isn't on the list I put other. I was born and raised, never baptised, a Jehovah's Witness. Contrary to popular belief they are some of the nicest people I have ever been around. I left last February when I moved out of my mom's house so I could be with Max, but since I have started studying the bible with the help of a wiser women in the congregation as has Max with a wiser man of the congregation. I love my religion, and although I need to change my actions before I can fully follow again, it is the one thing in my life over the last couple of years that has not once changed. "God is my helper and friend" *wink*

[jeni740]

I dont really believe in anything and I like it that way.( a girl at work is always preaching to me and others she is a born again christian and it really does get on my nerves)

[rainbowtreat]

I was babtised Catholic. But as a child I went to what ever church was available to me if I wanted to go.

I say I am aChristian but I don't consider it a religion. It is just that I have my beliefs and I believe that I will go to heaven as I am a good person. I help who I can as much as I can. I don't lie cheat steal or hurt others. I say my prays and teach my children what I know.

I dont have to go to church to be accepted into Heaven. I believe he would not push aside people who just didnt go to church even if they are good people. Which I know I am.

[WhiskeyGirl]

I dont have to go to church to be accepted into Heaven. I believe he would not push aside people who just didnt go to church even if they are good people. Which I know I am.

ITA!!!

I personally don't feel that churches should ask you to give them money either, it just seems wrong to me.

[mj512]

I dont have to go to church to be accepted into Heaven. I believe he would not push aside people who just didnt go to church even if they are good people. Which I know I am.

Like as long as you know that like you can't get to Heaven (based on the Christian religion of course) because you are a good person. It requires a personal relationship with Jesus, and an honest effort to live your life in accordance to His will and His Law.

I am TOTALLY not trying to preach, just clarifying, and TOTALLY not saying that you aren't going to Heaven lol, that def. is NOT my place, so don't feel like I am being judgemental, just throwing out the common misconception that you simply have to be a 'good person'. Again not trying to argue, because that isn't the point, I just don't want the wrong idea of the 'good person' theory to be thought of.

I hope that didn't seem pushy, because I don't mean to be, I just wanted to share my thoughts...

[darkangel090260]

I am wiccan and so is ross.

[Kacie_bride]

Well, since my religion that I was born and raised in isn't on the list I put other. I was born and raised, never baptised, a Jehovah's Witness. Contrary to popular belief they are some of the nicest people I have ever been around. I left last February when I moved out of my mom's house so I could be with Max, but since I have started studying the bible with the help of a wiser women in the congregation as has Max with a wiser man of the congregation. I love my religion, and although I need to change my actions before I can fully follow again, it is the one thing in my life over the last couple of years that has not once changed. "God is my helper and friend" *wink*

Sorry hun. I couldn't possibly list everything up there!!!! I pretty much just listed everything that came to mind at that time.

[cowboysbride]

I was raised a Baptist but became Church of Christ, Eric has always been Church of Christ.

[SoontobeMrsClark07]

I'm methodist. Growing up I was Presbyterian but then I found a Methodist church that better suited me. Now I am a member of a Methodist church and I work for a Presbyterian Organization.

[max'sonlyone]

Sorry hun. I couldn't possibly list everything up there!!!! I pretty much just listed everything that came to mind at that time.

Oh it's fine, no worries!!

[WhiskeyGirl]

Like as long as you know that like you can't get to Heaven (based on the Christian religion of course) because you are a good person. It requires a personal relationship with Jesus, and an honest effort to live your life in accordance to His will and His Law.

I am TOTALLY not trying to preach, just clarifying, and TOTALLY not saying that you aren't going to Heaven lol, that def. is NOT my place, so don't feel like I am being judgemental, just throwing out the common misconception that you simply have to be a 'good person'. Again not trying to argue, because that isn't the point, I just don't want the wrong idea of the 'good person' theory to be thought of.

I hope that didn't seem pushy, because I don't mean to be, I just wanted to share my thoughts...

I'm sorry but I believe and I believe that Gwen believes that you are wrong!! God will not turn us away from the gates because we may not believe in Jesus Christ. It is not your place to say this either, IMO.

[lea m]

Like as long as you know that like you can't get to Heaven (based on the Christian religion of course) because you are a good person. It requires a personal relationship with Jesus, and an honest effort to live your life in accordance to His will and His Law.

I am TOTALLY not trying to preach, just clarifying, and TOTALLY not saying that you aren't going to Heaven lol, that def. is NOT my place, so don't feel like I am being judgemental, just throwing out the common misconception that you simply have to be a 'good person'. Again not trying to argue, because that isn't the point, I just don't want the wrong idea of the 'good person' theory to be thought of.

I hope that didn't seem pushy, because I don't mean to be, I just wanted to share my thoughts...


Ooopppss looks like im not going to heaven then?!?!!? I was christened a protestant but to be honest i dont believe in A god! Sorry but i dont! Religion can make people very passionate so i hope i havent offended anyone!

[lea m]

Can i just ask, do you not have protestants in USA or Canada??

[WhiskeyGirl]

Can i just ask, do you not have protestants in USA or Canada??

My dad is a protestant.

[lea m]

Right its just that it weren't on the list, so i were'nt sure! hee hee

[Kacie_bride]

Can i just ask, do you not have protestants in USA or Canada??

They way we were always taught in school at least is that a protestant is any Christian denomination that was not Catholic. The Protestant Reformation if I remember correctly was the time when Martin Luther broke away from the Catholic church and wrote his 95 theses and you had others like John Calvin who began Calvinism. I think there were others too, but it's been a long time since I've had a history class.

[ladymelissa]

Oh please, grant me the strength to NOT post what I have written!

[brewsells]

I see no reason why you can't post your opinion, Melissa. I have never known you to be rude.

I have never been a religious person. I don't believe in following any organized religions. I believe there is a higher power. Not sure if it is God as most see it. I am a very spiritual person. I do know that I will not be turned away when my time comes just because I am not following any specific religion. it is said that the only reason you will go to h3ll is if you are shown what truely is and you still deny it. DH was raised LDS and he and I have had several talks on this subject. There are things I agree with and things I don't. I never have and never will judge people for their religion or lack thereof and unfortunatly, there are many who do.

[WhiskeyGirl]

Oh please, grant me the strength to NOT post what I have written!

oh?? lol.....

[ladymelissa]

Like as long as you know that like you can't get to Heaven (based on the Christian religion of course) because you are a good person. It requires a personal relationship with Jesus, and an honest effort to live your life in accordance to His will and His Law.

I am TOTALLY not trying to preach, just clarifying, and TOTALLY not saying that you aren't going to Heaven lol, that def. is NOT my place, so don't feel like I am being judgemental, just throwing out the common misconception that you simply have to be a 'good person'. Again not trying to argue, because that isn't the point, I just don't want the wrong idea of the 'good person' theory to be thought of.

I hope that didn't seem pushy, because I don't mean to be, I just wanted to share my thoughts...
I think that when people use the phrase, "good person" it is a concise way of saying that they try to follow God's will and laws which in a nutshell say to treat others as you would want to be treated.

So that is the post worthy version, anyway.

[Summerbmd]

This is a very touchy subject every time it is brought up amongst different beliefs, but my true feelings are everyone has their owns beliefs in which it is no individual person's duty to tell the other that it is right or wrong. I grew up baptist, which is still christian and I went to a baptist church and baptist school. My parents never forced it on me but I decided on my own that is what I wanted to do. When I grew a little older and had my own child I did a little more research. My problem with the baptist school and church I went to (not saying all are like this) but you had to live your life according to what "they" believed was right and not according to any other circumstances. When it was time for my daughter to start school I went and sat in all of the classrooms at churches at the different schools I was thinking of sending her to, and there was only one that I would even think of sending my daughter to after that and it was Lutheran. Lutheran (to me at least) seemed to realize that you can live a normal life in today's world and yet still be a christian, still believe in God, even if you weren't there every single Sunday, or giving all of your spare money or spending every waking moment at the church. My point in all of this is, I am very religious, my grandparents were ministers, but I still live a normal life, as in I can still go out with my friends to a bar and I am not a sinner that everyone looks down on.

[lea m]

They way we were always taught in school at least is that a protestant is any Christian denomination that was not Catholic. The Protestant Reformation if I remember correctly was the time when Martin Luther broke away from the Catholic church and wrote his 95 theses and you had others like John Calvin who began Calvinism. I think there were others too, but it's been a long time since I've had a history class.

I dont know half of these like protestant reformation and Calvinism???? Around here, your either Roman Catholic, Protestant ( from the time of Henry VIII) and theres a couple of Methodist churches, but to be honest, i see more muslims than methodists! Your just usually catholic or protestant!

[70707Bride]

I have been raised in a Lutheran Church. And to be honest with you, I don't know the difference between Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist, and such. I just see it for myself as going to church. But there is nothing that I don't like about it :).

[jeni740]

Like as long as you know that like you can't get to Heaven (based on the Christian religion of course) because you are a good person. It requires a personal relationship with Jesus, and an honest effort to live your life in accordance to His will and His Law.

I am TOTALLY not trying to preach, just clarifying, and TOTALLY not saying that you aren't going to Heaven lol, that def. is NOT my place, so don't feel like I am being judgemental, just throwing out the common misconception that you simply have to be a 'good person'. Again not trying to argue, because that isn't the point, I just don't want the wrong idea of the 'good person' theory to be thought of.

I hope that didn't seem pushy, because I don't mean to be, I just wanted to share my thoughts... Ok I am truly going to try not to be offensive I guess I dont understand why Christians (the ones I have come across) always feel their religion is the only religion and everyone else is wrong? I went to church as a child and was upset at how other religions were put down, my question is prove to me that you are right, what makes your religion right and everyone elses wrong? I guess it just gets a little offensive when people push their beliefs on others, and say that " you can't get to Heaven (based on the Christian religion of course) because you are a good person. It requires a personal relationship with Jesus, and an honest effort to live your life in accordance to His will and His Law." People should be able to believe whatever they want who really knows who is right and who is wrong?????? JMO not to offend anyone.

[70707Bride]

I am not trying to make anyone mad, but I just wanted to say that its ok to not believe in God or whatever, you don't have to. But when you have kids, will you tell them or try to make them believe what you believe? Or will you tell them the options, and let them decide for themselves? They won't have this full opportunity to gain the knowledge or different religions if they don't go to church. But I'm not saying you should take them even if you don't want to go, but I guess I don't know how to say what I want to say because I don't want anyone will take it the wrong way. Does that make sense?

[jeni740]

If I did have children I would let them believe whatever they want, just because I dont believe in god doesnt mean they should have to follow :)

[70707Bride]

If I did have children I would let them believe whatever they want, just because I dont believe in god doesnt mean they should have to follow :)

I was just wondering, since most kids tend to follow what their parents do/did when they get older.

[JennF]

Hi Lea,

While I understood the basic definitions myself, I thought everyone would benefit from a definition from a semi-official source: (from Wikipedia)

Protestantism is one of three main groups currently within Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity). The term "Protestant" represents a diverse range of perspectives, denominations, individuals, and related organizations. It is derived from "Protestors". While no particular belief or practice can be said to define this branch of Christianity (indeed, a commonly given definition is merely "any Christian denomination which is not Roman Catholic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic) or Orthodox Christian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_Christianity)"), those denominations considered to be well within the realm of Protestantism all have firm roots in the Protestant Reformation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformation) initiated by Martin Luther (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther)'s 95 Theses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/95_Theses) during the sixteenth century.
So, most Americans think of the Church of England as Anglican. The Episcopalean church here is the U.S. branch of the Anglican Communion. There are several other kinds of protestant churches here in North America and all over the world including but not limited to the following:

Lutheran
Baptist
Methodist
Congregational (or United Church of Christ)
Presbyterian
Quakers
Seventh-Day Adventists
Anabaptist
Episcopal (referred to above)


The list goes on. And most of those have split into a variety of "flavors" with differences that vary from the very minor to the gulf like. As I understand it, any church that accepts the precept that salvation is based on belief in Christ is Christian. However, there are a lot of non-denominational churches out there as well. I have no idea whether or not those churches would fall under the heading protestant. And then there's the question of the Church of Latter Day Saints. Does anyone else out there know? Is LDS considered a protestant faith? As I understand it, it does still fall under the heading of Christian.

[JennF]

On the subject of faith and arguments in general:

It's interesting how easily a conversation about church can so quickly devolve into a difference of opinion in doctrine and faith. I shouldn't be surprised though. I was baptized Lutheran and then eventually confirmed however; confirmation classes were the only form of formal religious training that I've received. And since then I haven't been involved with a church at all (I know, I know...I wrestle with the fact of my confirmation too.) Considering that, it shocked my by how frustrated I got with the differences between my religious view points and Jonathan's parents. Their faith has a high level of priority in their life, and I admire that greatly since the question of whether or not to have faith in anything can pose problems for someone not raised to it...but I found that I had an almost violent internal reaction to the place of prayer in their lives. Somewhere along the way I picked up the idea that prayer is a time of communion and worship...and that you shouldn't ask for anything for yourself. But Jonathan's family prayed on everything. When I didn't know where to get changed before the wedding, I was instructed to pray on it for guidance. This really bothered me, and it shocked me that it did. It shouldn't. Faith is personal, I know that...but it still got to me. So obviously I have my own hang ups to get over before I judge anyone else. ;)

[lea m]

I am not trying to make anyone mad, but I just wanted to say that its ok to not believe in God or whatever, you don't have to. But when you have kids, will you tell them or try to make them believe what you believe? Or will you tell them the options, and let them decide for themselves? They won't have this full opportunity to gain the knowledge or different religions if they don't go to church. But I'm not saying you should take them even if you don't want to go, but I guess I don't know how to say what I want to say because I don't want anyone will take it the wrong way. Does that make sense?

I dont believe in god, i did when i was a child but i still didnt go to church, my children are catholics and attend a catholic school and my eldest will be having his holy communion next year, i believe that my children have the right to choose what they do and dont believe in and i never tell them otherwise! When there old enough they can decide for themselves! I can be a little difficult when they bring up the subject but i dont tell them that i dont believe, lke ive already said, i want them to choose, a god is very important to a lot of people and it might be to my children, i might be there mum but i have no right trying to change their beliefs!

[mj512]

Ok I am truly going to try not to be offensive I guess I dont understand why Christians (the ones I have come across) always feel their religion is the only religion and everyone else is wrong? I went to church as a child and was upset at how other religions were put down, my question is prove to me that you are right, what makes your religion right and everyone elses wrong? I guess it just gets a little offensive when people push their beliefs on others, and say that " you can't get to Heaven (based on the Christian religion of course) because you are a good person. It requires a personal relationship with Jesus, and an honest effort to live your life in accordance to His will and His Law." People should be able to believe whatever they want who really knows who is right and who is wrong?????? JMO not to offend anyone.

sorry that this is so long guys, I don't blame you if you don't even bother to read it lol, but it really tells a lot about me and my life, and ect lol --- sorry to get so serious on you guys :)

I feel like I need to say this first, because most of you probably aren't all that interested in what I have to say, and won't read until the end of my post, so it would no good to state this after I have made my points. I respect each and every one of you and what you believe. I do NOT believe that I have it all right. I KNOW that I do not have it all right. I believe that when I get to Heaven I will find out that I have gotten some stuff right, but God will also say, Jacklynn you were wrong about this and this, your church/denomination thought this, but really it was this way. Through His grace though all of that will not matter. I have been going to a private Christian university for a while now studying for a religion degree and am currently in a Christian Theology course. This and life experience is where I have come my conclusions. I am not here to judge any one, and those of you who have been my friends on here since July know me, and who I am and what I stand for, and know that I try hard not to push my beliefs on anyone. But at the same time, I do say how I live my life.

My job is not to change any one's religion, or try to shove anything down anyones throat. I believe that my job is to live my life to the best of my ability that will give glory to God and in a way that shows everyone else the glory of God. That is in all honesty what I believe.

I deff. was/am not trying to start an arguement, because when it turns to that, all talk is pointless, and my life/witness is not to argue because that is stupid, its stupid to argue on 'whos religion is right or better' or whatever.

When people ask me how I know my religion is the 'right religion' pretty much my answer usually is, how do you know that is isn't? Everyone is always so quick to point out the faulty Christians, I totally agree, a lot of Christians go about witnessing in an AWFUL way, and in a way that totally turns people away. It really makes me sad when I hear that people were turned of to God because a Christian turned them off to Him. It's awful, and I hate that because of some people we all get a bad reputation because of it. Some of us simply love our God and want others to have that same relationship with Him.

If I am correct, me saying you can't get into Heaven (based on the Christian belief) is rightly said.... I don't see fault in that, nore do I see judgement, Heaven -- like I said seen in the Biblical Christian view, is a Christian place that Christians believe in. I understand that other religions believe in other such places. But in the Christian mind-set, the Bible has certain -- and I use the term VERY loosely- criteria. Following God's will. When I think of people saying 'good people' I think of people being kind, opening the doors for people, leaving good tips, and following the law. When as someone who is investing their lives in the Bible knows that it says we must believe in God with all of our heart and allow Him to work in our lives, even if it means that we have to give up EVERYTHING including our lives, or if it is as simple as moving across the country because He has made it clear to me that I need to be somewhere. that is where I am coming from. I dont think it is wrong of me to say that you can only go to a Christian place if you follow the 'christian rules'.

If you don't believe in God, you probably wouldn't believe in Heaven ( in the way that I think of it) So it shouldn't bother others that they wouldn't go to this place, because you dont belive that it doesn't exist right? So I don't see why others would be offended that I said that it takes more than being a kind person to get into the Heaven that I believe in. If I have misunderstood what you were trying to say, let me know by all means, I dont want to take this in the wrong direction.

I hope I said everything that I wanted to say clearly and in a way that makes since. Please don't tear my apart because of the way that I believe. I really try to not condemn people and I just ask that I not be judged as well. I really do not mean to judge anyone, I am just simply stating my thoughts. I am opening myself up to you and I only try to better myself, so if you truly think that I am being unfair in my 'judgements' please let me know, and tell me how I can better relay my beliefs in a way that protrays them better to others.

Thanks for listening my blab, I just really wanted to clear myself so I that did not appear to be pushing anything and so that I don't appear to be judgemental.

[mariaandmanish]

I am not trying to make anyone mad, but I just wanted to say that its ok to not believe in God or whatever, you don't have to. But when you have kids, will you tell them or try to make them believe what you believe? Or will you tell them the options, and let them decide for themselves? They won't have this full opportunity to gain the knowledge or different religions if they don't go to church. But I'm not saying you should take them even if you don't want to go, but I guess I don't know how to say what I want to say because I don't want anyone will take it the wrong way. Does that make sense?

I'm what I consider to be a spiritual person. Mostly agnostic, to name it. My husband is Hindu. He beleives in it strongly and tries to follow as many of the philosophies as he is comfortable with. However, I was raised in the Christian faith. Meaning that my family is christian in background, but my mother did not force any beliefs on us because she wanted us to make our own decisions. I plan on raising my children the same way. I want them to know the Christian faith as well as the Hindu faith and I will encourage them to research and learn about any other faith they may have interest in. But, for me, as long as they live a life that is "good" and does not hurt themselves or anyone else, I will be fine with whatever belief they choose, or none if they choose that as well.

[LizabethDavis]

I was not raised as believing in any particular faith, but I have been studying and following the Catholic faith since meeting and marrying Patrick.

[jeni740]

You did not misunderstand me, where I got offended is when you told Rainbowtreat "just so you know like you wont get into heaven like just for being a good person" I dont beleive in heaven or god or anything else,I don't think its right to tell others that they won't get into heaven because their faith is not as strong as yours or they dont go to church. It bothers me because I hear it everyday from a born again Christian who is constantly preaching at work that she is right and everyone else is wrong she gets me prayer cards and talks about god all day. I dont want to hear it. She was offended by my Santa Buda, well I am offended by her praying every two minutes. Everyone has their own views on religion and I don't think it is anyones place to tell them that they are wrong. JMO, I am not mad at you or anything in the least. I think you are a sweet person, I just think people need to open their minds a little.

[mariaandmanish]

This discussion is now more about what beliefs people have about the afterlife than what religion we participate, or do not participate, in. I think it's an entirely different subject that should be addressed as such.

I am a person who believes that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. I do not like it when someone suggests that their beliefs are any more important than anothers. I did notice that Jess did try to explain that while she doesn't think everyone will get into Heaven for being good, she did point out that her belief of what heaven is may be different from other's beliefs. I think that's what we all need to focus on when people say something that they believe that offends what you may believe. Her original statement upset me as well, but then I thought about it the way that she restated it and realized that in that way she may not be wrong.

I believe that there is an afterlife and that whatever comes next will reward me for trying the best that I can be to be a good person and that my personal belief in God has nothing to do with it. I view heaven as a place where anyone who truly wants to be there can be there. Perhaps, other's view of Heaven is different. It certainly sounds like Jess's is. And that alone makes it okay for her to suggest that I won't get into her personal view of what heaven is, because, since that is not my own personal view of what heaven is, I would not want to end up where she does.

I'm sorry if I managed to offend anyone. I was trying to be peacemaker, and I don't think it worked!!! BUt, I tried!!! LOL

[lea m]

I believe that there is an afterlife and that whatever comes next will reward me for trying the best that I can be to be a good person and that my personal belief in God has nothing to do with it.

Thats where i totally agree! Everyone has there own personal "heaven" and place after death and i do believe that when you die, that is where you will go! Regardless of whether you went to church or not! By the way i did think your peace making went well!

[jeni740]

No offense taken from me,I was just answering a question in her statement that I felt was directed to me. you are an excellent peace maker!!!! :):) Like I said I am not mad at anyone, but I was a little suprised that peoples faith and beliefs were questioned, to each his own:)

Quote "If you don't believe in God, you probably wouldn't believe in Heaven ( in the way that I think of it) So it shouldn't bother others that they wouldn't go to this place, because you dont belive that it doesn't exist right? So I don't see why others would be offended that I said that it takes more than being a kind person to get into the Heaven that I believe in. If I have misunderstood what you were trying to say, let me know by all means, I dont want to take this in the wrong direction."

[WebLady]

You did not misunderstand me, where I got offended is when you told Rainbowtreat "just so you know like you wont get into heaven like just for being a good person" I dont beleive in heaven or god or anything else,I don't think its right to tell others that they won't get into heaven because their faith is not as strong as yours or they dont go to church. It bothers me because I hear it everyday from a born again Christian who is constantly preaching at work that she is right and everyone else is wrong she gets me prayer cards and talks about god all day. I dont want to hear it. She was offended by my Santa Buda, well I am offended by her praying every two minutes. Everyone has their own views on religion and I don't think it is anyones place to tell them that they are wrong. JMO, I am not mad at you or anything in the least. I think you are a sweet person, I just think people need to open their minds a little.
I can understand how you would be bothered by ppl 'preaching' at you all day, I don't like that either. But you have to give other people their freedoms just as they should you. (speaking about your comment "I am offended by her praying every two minutes") I wouldn't care for your 'Santa Buda' but I wouldn't say anything, that is your choice.

Not sure what my point way, but I hope you know that not all 'Christians' are crazy, hypocritical, judgmental, preachy people. I am a Christian and I don't act that way.

I think a 'True Christian' should show love and compassion and be an example, not judge people for not being like them. The way I see it, each of us (I guess I am speaking of Christians) have our own 'calling' and share a unique and personal relationship with with our God. That relationship is different for everyone and our paths are all different. So why should we all act, dress, be the same KWIM?

Do I think my belief is the only 'right' one? For me, yes! No one will ever be able to tell me otherwise. But I don't judge others for what they believe or do not believe. I just try to live the love. I am not perfect and I am still a sinner, but I try to be a little better each day :)

Do I think only 'Christians' will go to heaven? I don't really know, that is up to God and not me. I just live how I feel is right for me.

Now my faith is a big part of who I am and the subject is likely to come up in my everyday life. My friends that do not believe as me usually just listen and we move on. They don't judge me and I don't judge them. That is why we are friends.

My faith has brought me peace and comfort in all the ups and downs of life. I wish that kind of feeling for everyone! If your faith or lack there of brings you that then I am happy for you.

Ok I am rambling and I forgot what my point was, so I will stop :bbredface:

The only other thing I will say is that maybe we need to just stick to the basics of the poll and not go into so many details. That way we have less chance of offending anyone ;)

[lea m]

I can understand how you would be bothered by ppl 'preaching' at you all day, I don't like that either. But you have to give other people their freedoms just as they should you. (speaking about your comment "I am offended by her praying every two minutes") I wouldn't care for your 'Santa Buda' but I wouldn't say anything, that is your choice.

Not sure what my point way, but I hope you know that not all 'Christians' are crazy, hypocritical, judgmental, preachy people. I am a Christian and I don't act that way.

I think a 'True Christian' should show love and compassion and be an example, not judge people for not being like them. The way I see it, each of us (I guess I am speaking of Christians) have our own 'calling' and share a unique and personal relationship with with our God.

Do I think my belief is the only 'right' one? For me, yes! No one will ever be able to tell me otherwise. But I don't judge others for what they believe or do not believe. I just try to live the love. I am not perfect and I am still a sinner, but I try to be a little better each day :)

Do I think only 'Christians' will go to heaven? I don't really know, that is up to God and not me.

Now my faith is a big part of who I am and the subject is likely to come up in my everyday life. My friends that do not believe as me usually just listen and we move on. They don't judge me and I don't judge them. That is why we are friends.

Ok I am rambling and I forgot what my point was, so I will stop :bbredface:

The only other thing I will say is that maybe we need to just stick to the basics of the poll and not go into so many details. That way we have less chance of offending anyone ;)

Good point!!!! whatever your point was?!?! lol only joking!!! I got what you were saying! We should all not judge one and other for what we do/ dont believe, say/ dont say, etc!! Theres no need to get into strong debates on subjects like religion as everyone has there own views, we should listen and move on!

[ladymelissa]

Where can one buy a Santa Buda? I know someone who collects Santas and I am pretty sure that they don't have this one.

I am just curious, did you mean Santa Buddha?

[jeni740]

Good point!!!! whatever your point was?!?! lol only joking!!! I got what you were saying! We should all not judge one and other for what we do/ dont believe, say/ dont say, etc!! Theres no need to get into strong debates on subjects like religion as everyone has there own views, we should listen and move on!


Phew well said!!!!!!! Not really sure where this topic took a wrong turn but turn it back to where it started just a POLL lol

[Kacie_bride]

Hi Lea,

While I understood the basic definitions myself, I thought everyone would benefit from a definition from a semi-official source: (from Wikipedia)


So, most Americans think of the Church of England as Anglican. The Episcopalean church here is the U.S. branch of the Anglican Communion. There are several other kinds of protestant churches here in North America and all over the world including but not limited to the following:

Lutheran
Baptist
Methodist
Congregational (or United Church of Christ)
Presbyterian
Quakers
Seventh-Day Adventists
Anabaptist
Episcopal (referred to above)


The list goes on. And most of those have split into a variety of "flavors" with differences that vary from the very minor to the gulf like. As I understand it, any church that accepts the precept that salvation is based on belief in Christ is Christian. However, there are a lot of non-denominational churches out there as well. I have no idea whether or not those churches would fall under the heading protestant. And then there's the question of the Church of Latter Day Saints. Does anyone else out there know? Is LDS considered a protestant faith? As I understand it, it does still fall under the heading of Christian.

And if you want to go on further, most denominations are also broken down. For instance I am Lutheran, so I know it better, but we have Missouri Synod and ELCA. The differences that I've noticed aren't a lot, but Missouri Synod does seem to be more traditional. I think Pentecostals have something like United and something else. I'm not sure.

[mj512]

You did not misunderstand me, where I got offended is when you told Rainbowtreat "just so you know like you wont get into heaven like just for being a good person" I dont beleive in heaven or god or anything else,I don't think its right to tell others that they won't get into heaven because their faith is not as strong as yours or they dont go to church. It bothers me because I hear it everyday from a born again Christian who is constantly preaching at work that she is right and everyone else is wrong she gets me prayer cards and talks about god all day. I dont want to hear it. She was offended by my Santa Buda, well I am offended by her praying every two minutes. Everyone has their own views on religion and I don't think it is anyones place to tell them that they are wrong. JMO, I am not mad at you or anything in the least. I think you are a sweet person, I just think people need to open their minds a little.


You misunderstood me, I did not say that someones faith wasn't as strong as mine, I was making a statement that according to the Christian faith you have to have a personal relationship with Christ.


I feel like I am just defending myself in circles, and the people here that have come to be a friend of mine, know that I wasn't judging anyone. I need to leave this conversation because I feel like I am getting attacked a lot because I have the minority belief. I am not trying to get your pity haha, im just saying I think its best if I don't contribute anymore to this convo. You guys all know my beliefs and I have tried my hardest to relay my beliefs accuratly, but im sure they aren't as clear as they should be. I again meant to judge know one, and have tried to say a few times now, that I know that I do not have it all right, its just what my life is, since my life IS my beliefs about religion. I mean its going to be my JOB. So I have strong feelings about it. Again, I know I dont believe that I have it all right.

soooo to avoid me feeling like I have offended others any further (I am pretty emotional and hate feeling like I have stepped on toes and what not) I simply am leaving this thread :)

[darkangel090260]

I am not trying to make anyone mad, but I just wanted to say that its ok to not believe in God or whatever, you don't have to. But when you have kids, will you tell them or try to make them believe what you believe? Or will you tell them the options, and let them decide for themselves? They won't have this full opportunity to gain the knowledge or different religions if they don't go to church. But I'm not saying you should take them even if you don't want to go, but I guess I don't know how to say what I want to say because I don't want anyone will take it the wrong way. Does that make sense?


We are both wiccan. However our child will not be raised any religion as they get older they will be exposed to as many as possible. They have a right to make there own dections about what Faith they pick for there life's. We do not have a right to tell them what to belive and what to fill is right for them.

[Kacie_bride]

I have many of the same feelings as Jacklyn, but when I started this poll I was hoping that this type of conversation would not happen. I really didn't want to get into it because of the strong feelings many people have about religion. I really was just curious mostly about the different Christian denominations some of the people on here are. Not that I'm not interested in anybody who is not Christian. I was just curious as to what everyone was. I didn't start it to cause an argument I guess is what I am trying to say.

[mj512]

I have many of the same feelings as Jacklyn, but when I started this poll I was hoping that this type of conversation would not happen. I really didn't want to get into it because of the strong feelings many people have about religion. I really was just curious mostly about the different Christian denominations some of the people on here are. Not that I'm not interested in anybody who is not Christian. I was just curious as to what everyone was. I didn't start it to cause an argument I guess is what I am trying to say.

No sweat Kacie... really no biggie, Jeni and I are good to go, we were just discussing, what you guys don't get to see is the PM between us, about making sure we are cool. It's good to have a nice chat sometimes on stuff like this :)

oh.... so to answer your question a little more simply....

I'm Nazarene.... lol

[Kacie_bride]

No sweat Kacie... really no biggie, Jeni and I are good to go, we were just discussing, what you guys don't get to see is the PM between us, about making sure we are cool. It's good to have a nice chat sometimes on stuff like this :)

oh.... so to answer your question a little more simply....

I'm Nazarene.... lol

I'm glad!!!! :)

[kevinsbride2B]

My Mom's family side of the family is United Church and My dad's was catholic. They disagreed on what I should be christened and I still to this day am nothing! I'm a Christen and that's really all I care about. I celebrate Christmas and I may not go to church but it doesn't mean that I don't belive that there is somthing waiting for me when I leave this world.

[lea m]

Hi Lea,

While I understood the basic definitions myself, I thought everyone would benefit from a definition from a semi-official source: (from Wikipedia)


So, most Americans think of the Church of England as Anglican. The Episcopalean church here is the U.S. branch of the Anglican Communion. There are several other kinds of protestant churches here in North America and all over the world including but not limited to the following:

Lutheran
Baptist
Methodist
Congregational (or United Church of Christ)
Presbyterian
Quakers
Seventh-Day Adventists
Anabaptist
Episcopal (referred to above)


The list goes on. And most of those have split into a variety of "flavors" with differences that vary from the very minor to the gulf like. As I understand it, any church that accepts the precept that salvation is based on belief in Christ is Christian. However, there are a lot of non-denominational churches out there as well. I have no idea whether or not those churches would fall under the heading protestant. And then there's the question of the Church of Latter Day Saints. Does anyone else out there know? Is LDS considered a protestant faith? As I understand it, it does still fall under the heading of Christian.

Oh im sorry!! Somehow i totally missed this post!!! Its really funny reading this! I had to do some more checking because all through my life i have never heard of the Church of England as being anglican!! ha ha cant you tell i didnt pay much attention in R.E classes!! lol this is how what i always was told about our religion,
Introduction (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761578580/Church_of_England.html#s1); A National Church (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761578580/Church_of_England.html#s2); Popular Movements (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761578580/Church_of_England.html#s3); Doctrine (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761578580/Church_of_England.html#s4)
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Church of England or Anglican Church, the Christian church in England, dating from the introduction of Christianity (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761576315/Christianity.html) into that country. More specifically, it is the branch of the Christian church that, since the Reformation (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761562628/Reformation.html), has been the established Church of England. The earliest unquestioned historical evidence of an organized Christian church in England is found in the writings of such early Christian fathers as Tertullian (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761577215/Tertullian.html) and Origen (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761569094/Origen.html) in the first years of the 3rd century, although the first Christian communities probably were established some decades earlier. Three English bishops are known to have been present at the Council of Arles in 314. Others attended the Council of Sardica in 347 and that of Ariminum in 360, and a number of references to the church in Roman Britain are found in the writings of 4th-century Christian fathers (see Fathers of the Church (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761569024/Fathers_of_the_Church.html)).
The ritual and discipline of the early English church were largely introduced by the Celtic and Gallic missionaries and monks, but after the arrival of Saint Augustine (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761576576/St_Augustine.html) and his missionary companions from Rome, in 597, and the ensuing fusion of Celtic and Roman influences, the Celtic forms gradually gave way to the liturgy (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761555862/Liturgy.html) and practices of the Roman West. During the next four centuries, the church in Saxon England exhibited the same lines of growth and development that characterized the church everywhere in the early Middle Ages (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761578474/Middle_Ages.html). After the Norman Conquest (1066), continental influence in England strengthened the connections between the English church and the papacy (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761554644/Papacy.html). The vigorous assertions of power successfully made by popes from Gregory VII (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761578578/Pope_Gregory_VII.html) to Innocent III (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761572226/Innocent_III.html) between the late 11th and the early 13th centuries were felt in England, as elsewhere, and clerical influence and privilege were widely extended in secular affairs. Several times during the medieval period, English kings sought to limit the power of the church and the claims of its independent canon law, but without success until the reign of Henry VIII (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761570153/Henry_VIII.html).
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The acts of Parliament (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761575391/Parliament.html) between 1529 and 1536 mark the beginning of the Anglican church as a national church independent of papal jurisdiction. Henry VIII, vexed at the refusal of Pope Clement VII (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761575184/Clement_VII_(pope).html) to annul his marriage to Catherine of Aragón (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761562642/Catherine_of_Aragón.html), induced Parliament to enact a series of statutes denying the pope any power or jurisdiction over the Church of England. He thus reaffirmed the ancient right of the Christian prince, or monarch, to exercise supremacy over the affairs of the church within his domain. He cited precedents in the relations of church and state in the Eastern Roman Empire and until the 9th century under Charlemagne (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761571217/Charlemagne.html) in the Western Empire.
Although his action was revolutionary, Henry VIII received the support of the overwhelming majority of the English people, clerical and lay alike. Support was given chiefly because no drastic change was made in the Roman Catholic faith and practices to which England was accustomed (see Roman Catholic Church (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761573737/Roman_Catholic_Church.html)). After Henry’s death, the influences of religious reform were felt more strongly in England, and in 1549 the first Anglican Book of Common Prayer (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761560997/Book_of_Common_Prayer.html) was published and its use required of the English clergy by an Act of Uniformity. The second prayer book, reflecting more strongly the influence of continental Protestantism (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761555703/Protestantism.html), was issued in 1552 and was followed shortly by the Forty-two Articles, a doctrinal statement similar in tone. Both were swept away upon the accession (1553) of Mary I (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761562599/Mary_I.html), who returned England to a formal obedience to the papacy that lasted until her death in 1558.