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Kacie_bride
08-25-2006, 03:49 PM
Do you think "under God" should be removed from the pledge?
Kacie_bride
08-25-2006, 03:50 PM
I say no because God can be whatever you interpret. God could be the tree in your front yard if you want it to be.
LaceyinPgh
08-25-2006, 03:53 PM
Ok, I don't care about the "under God" thing. I really don't. That is one of those topics for people who have too much free time to fight about. Personally, the pledge eats 30 seconds out of my day every morning. I don't like that. I don't see the point in reciting it. It doesn't teach the kids anything except not to get fully settled until after morning announcements. I never liked saying it in school. It never stirred those patriotic feelings in me. To me it was a grouping of words that I had to recite every morning when I could be using that time to do something beneficial. I still feel that way. And when I get some kid that refuses to recite it (it happens every year someone decides to take a stand against it for about a week) I don't do or say a **** thing to them. They are entitled to their own opinions. If you ignore it, it ends 10x's faster.
MOB Karen
08-25-2006, 03:53 PM
I kind of like being "under God" myself. :)
ladymelissa
08-25-2006, 04:18 PM
I don't care either way. The whole thing is kind of hokey if you ask me. I agree with Lacey, it's kind of waste of time. We said it in school everyday, too. I just followed along and gave very little thought to what I was actually saying.
CarlosHoney
08-25-2006, 04:23 PM
I didn't ever say it in school, and I didn't stand up when it was said. Not that I was un-american.. Just because I was rebelling... :p
I think that they should take "God" out of it, because there is other religons here. Not just ones that believe in God.
countrygirl
08-25-2006, 04:34 PM
My opinion (I seem to be full of them today) is NO WAY JOSE!!! This country was founded on religious beliefs. Granted, it was founded to give people religious freedom, but is was still founded for religious reasons.
I am a somwhat religous person, and that is my God given right (no pun intended). No one else is required to follow my believes. But, I dont feel that taking it out of the pledge will change anything. It's just something to fued over. After this, it will be something else. There will ALWAYS be someone who doesn't like the words in something, and try to outlaw it.
CindySue
08-25-2006, 04:41 PM
Im with Heather - H3LL NO!!!
I also like what Karen said - I like being "Under God" myself too!
countrygirl
08-25-2006, 04:42 PM
Im with Heather - H3LL NO!!!
I also like what Karen said - I like being "Under God" myself too!
Me too. It's good to know that there is someone out there watching over me. I great sense of security there!!!
WebLady
08-25-2006, 04:46 PM
I don't see the reason to change it, it has been that way for a LONG time. If you don't agree with it and/or don't want to stand up and say it then don't, that should be the end of it.
There is some debate over the "In God We Trust" being taken off the money too :bbrolleyes: I think this kind of thing has only become an issue in more recent years because of immigration and such. But America has been "One Nation Under God" for a long, long time.
No one is saying you have to believe in any particular god. The way I see it is if you don't like it don't participate, that is one of the many freedoms you have in the USA. It is the freedoms this country was founded on why so many flock to the US, so why try to change it.
CindySue
08-25-2006, 04:54 PM
No one is saying you have to believe in any particular god. The way I see it is if you don't like it don't participate, that is one of the many freedoms you have in the USA. It is the freedoms this country was founded on why so many flock to the US, so why try to change it.
Exactly. This is the way things have been forever. Dont participate if you dont agree. But I dont think it should be taken away from the ones of us that do. I could be wrong, and if I am I know I will be corrected, but I read where over 80% of Americans believe in God and 14% dont. Why should over 3/4 of our nation changes their views?
Kacie_bride
08-25-2006, 04:58 PM
Exactly. This is the way things have been forever. Dont participate if you dont agree. But I dont think it should be taken away from the ones of us that do. I could be wrong, and if I am I know I will be corrected, but I read where over 80% of Americans believe in God and 14% dont. Why should over 3/4 of our nation changes their views?
Yes, I think I have read some similar statistics. Another thing it says God, it does not say Jesus Christ. So who is to say when another religion says it, that it can't be Allah or Buddah or whoever else. God can be what you want it to be.
LaceyinPgh
08-25-2006, 05:00 PM
I hate this debate. But, there is an easy remedy to it. Instead of "One nation under God." change it to "One nation under god." That covers the idea of Chrsitian God only we aren't using the diety's proper name. Yet, it covers every other major or minor religion since each has at least one major diety that is in control of day to day events in life.
countrygirl
08-25-2006, 05:04 PM
Yes, I think I have read some similar statistics. Another thing it says God, it does not say Jesus Christ. So who is to say when another religion says it, that it can't be Allah or Buddah or whoever else. God can be what you want it to be.
I agree. When the question is asked, it's "WHo is your God?" Not "WHO is your Jesus Christ?" SO why the word God so terrible to want to say you are under your God. No one is telling you who's god to believe in.
rainbowtreat
08-25-2006, 07:25 PM
I agree with every one when you say that it should not be changed. That if you ask any one they all worship some kind of god. And it has been this way for years why change it now. And they still say the pledge in school? I just had to ask my daughter and my brother lol. They both said yes. WOW I have been out of school way too long now lol.
AllyM1
08-25-2006, 08:43 PM
I definitely think it should stay. I'm not trying to step on any toes here but it hasn't been a problem until a lot of these atheistic liberal extremist came along and want to change everything.
It has been that way for a long time so there is not a need to change it. Like Kacie said, to me God is Jesus Christ, to Mohammed God may be Allah. It's all your interpretation.
SoontobeMrsClark07
08-25-2006, 11:51 PM
I think it should stay. I agree with Heather on the reasons why it should stay.
mj512
08-26-2006, 06:53 AM
Well the pledge is something about the founding of our country, and about our country, and even though it is over-said, the country was founded by God, so even those who do not believe in God should respect what the country was founded on
LizabethDavis
08-26-2006, 06:58 AM
I voted yes, but that's because I had misread the question. I think it should stay there, only because, it has always been there. Why take it out now?
hummingbird521
08-26-2006, 07:34 AM
Im with Heather - H3LL NO!!!
I also like what Karen said - I like being "Under God" myself too!
I agree wholeheartedly with this.
CarlosHoney
08-26-2006, 08:07 AM
Yes, I think I have read some similar statistics. Another thing it says God, it does not say Jesus Christ. So who is to say when another religion says it, that it can't be Allah or Buddah or whoever else. God can be what you want it to be.Just to clarify... Buhddists don't beleive in Buddha as a god. He was a man, and they learn by his teachings. There are a spectrum of people who don't beleive in a single god, but many gods.. And followers of the goddess?
I don't think it'll change.. But I think that it is technically infringing on the religous freedom rights of certain Americans. :)
Kacie_bride
08-26-2006, 09:36 AM
Just to clarify... Buhddists don't beleive in Buddha as a god. He was a man, and they learn by his teachings. There are a spectrum of people who don't beleive in a single god, but many gods.. And followers of the goddess?
I don't think it'll change.. But I think that it is technically infringing on the religous freedom rights of certain Americans. :)
All I am saying is that it is up to your own interpretation. I do know that there are religions that believe in many gods. I just don't think it infringes on anyone rights because you do not have to say it. If you were forced to say it then maybe it would infringe on rights.
CarlosHoney
08-26-2006, 09:58 AM
All I am saying is that it is up to your own interpretation. I do know that there are religions that believe in many gods. I just don't think it infringes on anyone rights because you do not have to say it. If you were forced to say it then maybe it would infringe on rights.Yes, but it's the **NATIONAL PLEDGE OF ALLIEGANCE**. I think that the pledge should reflect the freedom and liberty of the people. Just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean that you shouldn't be able to say the pledge.
I think that saying "One Nation, Under the Heavens, and liberty and justice for all" would say the same thing without the same religous connitation.
Kacie_bride
08-26-2006, 10:02 AM
Yes, but it's the **NATIONAL PLEDGE OF ALLIEGANCE**. I think that the pledge should reflect the freedom and liberty of the people. Just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean that you shouldn't be able to say the pledge.
I think that saying "One Nation, Under the Heavens, and liberty and justice for all" would say the same thing without the same religous connitation.
Well if you said under the heavens you would be putting out the majority of the population that are Christians because Christians believe in one Heaven and not heavens.
AllyM1
08-26-2006, 11:23 AM
Another thing, a lot of people think that atheists are one in particular being left out by all this "Under God" stuff, but a lot of people don't realize that atheism IS A RELIGION.
I totally agree with Kacie that "God" is your own interpretation. If you don't like it, don't say it. But I don't feel that we should change everything around from what our founding fathers believed just because the athiests, buddhists, muslims, whatever feel left out.
It's not like it says, "One nation, under the God of The Bible who is Jesus Christ..."
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