How do you feel about abortion?

[MOB Karen]

Other than rape situations. Answer only if you want to, and please respect other's views. Thanks!

[MOB Karen]

I believe it's a women's right to have an abortion if she so chooses. I don't know if I would be able to do it however.

[Amber818]

I also feel it is a woman's body...I do not condone women using abortion as a form of birth control. I also do not think I could do it but I have never been out in a situation where I had to think of it...

[ladymelissa]

I am pro choice, it is the woman's body until the baby can live on it's own outside the body or until science can take the embryo and grow it to term in the lab or transplant it into someone who wants it.

I will say that there probably should be some sort of regulation on it and reserved for honest accidents (failure of some other birth control and of course, rape). Abortion should not a woman's sole form of birth control.

I also think it should be done ASAP, preferably within the first trimester and certainly not within the last trimester, unless it is life threatening for the woman.

[LaceyinPgh]

I am fully and 100% pro choice. No woman should ever have to go through the emotional, physical, and financial trauma of an unwanted pregnancy. No woman should be forced to have a child that she doesn't want. As long as that fetus isn't viable, than the mother has the right to do with her body as she pleases. There should be no stipulations other than the viablilty of the fetus that gets placed on this medical procedure.

That said, I also know that even if abortion should become illegal, that will NOT prevent a woman from seeking one if she wants it. Wealthy women will have a spike in D&C's performed by gynocologists like they used to before Roe v. Wade. Poor women will be regulated to back room clinics. That is a danger to them and their future fertility. To feel that is it right to subject one half of the population to back room surgical procedures is inhumane to the highest degree.

I also know of at least two women who have had abortions. I know that it wasn't some spur of the moment decision that they just decided on. It was a lot of thought and tears and what ifs. I know that they think about their choices daily.

[mj512]

I am against it. I believe that it is alive at the very moment the sperm gets in the egg.

[hummingbird521]

I am pro choice. I have been down this road and would not have liked someone telling me what choice (if any) I had. While not something I condone as a form of birth control I do feel it is mine and any woman's sole decision.

[WebLady]

I agree with Amber and Mellissa about the birth control part of this ... I am pro choice, but I think that some women misuse this option. I think there should be regulations (so to speak, not sure that is the word I wanted to use) on this, like when it can be done, how many times in your life and such.

But like Lacey said, making it illegal isn't going to stop it from happening. I think what we as a society really need to work on is teaching safer sex practices so we lessen the changes of an unwanted pregnancy.

Personally, I don't want kids and if I was to get pregnant I would probably had an abortion and I would tell no one. It am sure it would be a hard thing to have to deal with, but I am not having a child. At this point in my life I don't think I have too much to worry about since my husband had a vasectomy ;)

[WhiskeyGirl]

I do not believe in it...but its for the reason that I cannot get pregnant and it upsets me that girls who can use it as a form of birth control. It is VERY upsetting to me to hear of people who accidently get pregnant and then have an abortion. If you are mature enough or ready to have sex, you should remember that there is always the possibility of pregnancy! Why punish a child who never asked for you to do that to them? IT really pisses me off...especially because my SIL's sister has had two abortions because she does not want to have child and here I am SUFFERING through infertilty. If you do not want children, tie your tubes or use EFFECTIVE birth control.

Sorry if I've offended anyone. This is a very very very touchy subject for me because of our experinces!!

ETA- I do agree with abortion if and when a woman was raped. This is truely an UNWANTED pregnancy and a woman should not have to go through that trauma!

[officiant-fica]

I guess I am semi pro choice. I beleive that it is your body and it is your choice. I think that no one should make life change choices for you, especially not the government. But I could never counsel anyone to make the decision to have an abortion, because I belive that is not the right choice. I'm not the kind of person who would stand outside a clinic to protest, but if asked I would suggest any alternative to abortion. KWIM

[AllyM1]

Ahhh one of those tough subjects for people...

I am 100% Pro-Life.. I believe it is wrong in all situations. I am a Pro-Life activist. Not ready financially, or mentally is not a valid reason for an abortion. If you are ready to spread your legs, you are ready for whatever comes along with that, be it a baby or an STD. If you can't handle those, don't open your legs.

The only difference is I would and will never judge someone who has had an abortion. I feel it is wrong, but it's never my place to judge someone.

I just feel in most cases adoption would be a great option. There are waiting lists for people who are waiting to adopt children.

[WebLady]

... The only difference is I would and will never judge someone who has had an abortion. I feel it is wrong, but it's never my place to judge someone.
I respect your opinions and respect you even more for saying (and hopefully practicing) this :hug:

It saddens and angers me to hear about 'pro-life' activists bombing abortion clinics and/or throwing things at the ppl that go in there and calling them names and such. Especially when they talk about it being a religious issue, I just want to smack these ppl and remind them that we aren't suppose to judge ppl either!

[AllyM1]

Thank you. I do practice it. I am not the type who will bomb anything or throw things at people. Where I live there is an abortion clinic on this one street. This guy stands there holding a sign every day rain or shine. That's the extent of what he does. Silent protest I call it.

Anyway... I don't judge people. I feel that only one person has the right to judge and it's definitely not me! My best friend actually has had one child and two abortions. I don't agree with it at all, but she's my best friend and I love her to death.

[CindySue]

I voted that its a woamns body, because it is. I dont think it should be used as a b/c method, but if a woman was raped, or being pregnant will harm the mother, or......well never mind. (because that one will probably get me chaired).
If someone were to ask me what I thought they should do, I would tell them that they need to decide that. They are the ones that have to live with that decision for the rest of their lives.

[Kacie_bride]

I used to say that I was 100% pro life. Now I am not so sure. I am defiantely not 100% pro choice. I agree with Shawna to some degree. There are so many people out there who want a baby and would take the baby. You also knew what you were getting into when you had sex.

However, I had a friend who had an abortion. It was not a spur of the moment thing and it caused a lot of trauma for her. I was not in her situation so I cannot honestly say that I would not have done the same thing. It would have haunted me for the rest of my life if I did that. That was 8 years ago and it bothers her still. She hasn't come out and said it, but I think that is probably her biggest regret in life so far.

I am not in favor of making it illegal. Lacey said that women would still be having "back room" abortions and I believe that 100%. I would not want to hear of many women loosing their lives like that. I am in favor of requiring minors to have parental consent and I think the father should have to sign a consent form. I know that is near impossible, but in a perfect world I think that should happen.

So I am pro choice-not really, but I am not pro life either. I will never have an abortion. If it comes to my life or my child's life, I would choose my child's life. But do I condem anyone who has had an abortion-no. In a desperate situation like so many women face I cannot tell you what I would do.

[Kacie_bride]

I respect your opinions and respect you even more for saying (and hopefully practicing) this :hug:

It saddens and angers me to hear about 'pro-life' activists bombing abortion clinics and/or throwing things at the ppl that go in there and calling them names and such. Especially when they talk about it being a religious issue, I just want to smack these ppl and remind them that we aren't suppose to judge ppl either!

One thing that gets me is the people who protest in front of a Planned Parenthood clinic in Huntsville, Texas. They are protesting abortion which they have every right to do. However, the clinic in Huntsville does not even preform abortions. Most women go there for low cost exams, birth control, or treatment of STDs. They stand out there and make women feel uncomfortable going into the facility. If they want to protest abortion, protest in front of place that actually does abortions.

[AllyM1]

Thanks Shawna for the comment on my post.

I understand where everyone is coming from.. I kind of have to bite my tongue a bit because this is the one topic I am extremely passionate about. I feel I have to stand up for the ones who cannot stand up for themselves.

I just look at children and my little cousins and I look at my nephew and they are so beautiful and innocent. And then I think of all of the babies who were killed and it saddens me so much. So many babies like those are killed for no good reason.

[WhiskeyGirl]

One thing that gets me is the people who protest in front of a Planned Parenthood clinic in Huntsville, Texas. They are protesting abortion which they have every right to do. However, the clinic in Huntsville does not even preform abortions. Most women go there for low cost exams, birth control, or treatment of STDs. They stand out there and make women feel uncomfortable going into the facility. If they want to protest abortion, protest in front of place that actually does abortions.

I guess ignorance is bliss! Some people really need to do their research!! ;)

[AllyM1]

Yeah that's pretty ignorant. Most planned parenthoods perfom abortions so I am surprised they don't.

The place in the city I live at is notated as a "OBGYN" but it's not at all. Everyone knows that's where people go to get abortions but they cannot put a sign out front that says, "ABORTION CLINIC"

[WhiskeyGirl]

Thanks Shawna for the comment on my post.

I understand where everyone is coming from.. I kind of have to bite my tongue a bit because this is the one topic I am extremely passionate about. I feel I have to stand up for the ones who cannot stand up for themselves.

I just look at children and my little cousins and I look at my nephew and they are so beautiful and innocent. And then I think of all of the babies who were killed and it saddens me so much. So many babies like those are killed for no good reason.

No problem Ally!! I believe exactly what you said. I look at my SIL's sister and I just want to choke her! How can a person kill an innocent child?? I really don't understand it but it also comes from a different part of me being that I am infertile. It saddens me to think that so many women take this part of their lives and bodies for granted. I believe every word you said Ally!! :D

[AllyM1]

Thank you Shawna...

I don't say this to kiss up or anything, but it's the people like you who help my and so many others cause. It's the people who would give anything just to have that nursery and the baby to put in there every night... The people who would give anything to change a diaper or give a crying baby a bottle at 3 am in the morning... The people who would give anything to get little or no sleep... and they can't... Then there's the women who don't want to be bothered by a child and "get rid of it" because they can't deal with it... they just want to have fun...

:censored:!!!! Some people... I'm sorry I just get so irritated...

[WhiskeyGirl]

Thank you Shawna...

I don't say this to kiss up or anything, but it's the people like you who help my and so many others cause. It's the people who would give anything just to have that nursery and the baby to put in there every night... The people who would give anything to change a diaper or give a crying baby a bottle at 3 am in the morning... The people who would give anything to get little or no sleep... and they can't... Then there's the women who don't want to be bothered by a child and "get rid of it" because they can't deal with it... they just want to have fun...

:censored:!!!! Some people... I'm sorry I just get so irritated...

Yes that would be us! We would do anything!!

[AllyM1]

Not to get too personal or anything and you don't have to answer, but have you guys considered adoption?

[WhiskeyGirl]

Not to get too personal or anything and you don't have to answer, but have you guys considered adoption?

We actually have been discussing it a lot lately. Infact we talked about it today in the truck. We have an appointment with the fertility clinic October 3rd....my birthday. I'm afraid that what they tell us may ruin my birthday but I need answers. We are going to try IVF (invetro fertilization) a couple of times and if in the first two transfers I do not become pregnant, we will start the adoption process while still doing more embryo transfers. We will adopt at least one child. :D

[Kacie_bride]

Yeah that's pretty ignorant. Most planned parenthoods perfom abortions so I am surprised they don't.

The place in the city I live at is notated as a "OBGYN" but it's not at all. Everyone knows that's where people go to get abortions but they cannot put a sign out front that says, "ABORTION CLINIC"

I can't say so for everywhere, but in the South East Texas region there are 12 Planned Parenthood clinics and only 2 actually preform abortions.

[AllyM1]

I really do hope everything goes great for you. I will cross my fingers and say a little prayer. Children bring so much joy to our mostly boring lives. I cannot wait to have children eventually.

Who knows, you may get really lucky and start the adoption process and then get pregnant from the IVF. I do know someone who couldn't get pregnant so they adopted a little girl. A month after they adopted her they found out she was, I believe, about 2 months pregnant.

[WhiskeyGirl]

I really do hope everything goes great for you. I will cross my fingers and say a little prayer. Children bring so much joy to our mostly boring lives. I cannot wait to have children eventually.

Who knows, you may get really lucky and start the adoption process and then get pregnant from the IVF. I do know someone who couldn't get pregnant so they adopted a little girl. A month after they adopted her they found out she was, I believe, about 2 months pregnant.

I am always keeping my fingers crossed and hoping for the best.

[SoontobeMrsClark07]

I'm going to say that I dont have an opinion because my opinion is not fully formed yet... like a lot of controversial issues, I havent pondered them enough to form an opinion.

[LaceyinPgh]

I'm just curious for those of you who said that abortion isn't/shouldn't be used as birth control. Does that only stand when you are looking at the social and political boarders of the US? Because in many third world countries it is used as a form of birth control because it is one of the few that is avaliable. Women can't get access to bc pills or IUDs. They also can't make their husbands wear a condom or refuse sex. They don't have the same rights as we do. They have huge families of 5+ children that they worry about feeding and getting clean water for. Their children that they already have are dying in front of them due to malnutrition, measles, malaria, and HIV/AIDS. Are those women horrid for seeking abortions for children that they didn't want and under no circumstances can care for?

In America, what happens if my bc fails? Condoms break or leak. A weight gain of just couple pounds can render bc pills ineffective, of diaphrams to fit improperly. I'm 27 years old, married, and financially stable. But, I don't want children. Does that mean that my husband and I should abstain from any sexual contact?

Also, abortions cause a great deal of scaring to the uterus. That takes a big toll on fertility. So there aren't too many woman out there actually using them for solid birth control. Because after more than a couple of them, your chances of pregnancy are significantly lowered.

As for paretnal consent. I disagree. I don't have to have parental consent for any other medical procedure. In high school if I was sick, I made the choice to call the doctor. I was responsible for going to the dentist and making my own appointments to fill my own cavities. I had to decide when I was going to the eye doctor as well. I made these decision. I took care of myself. It wasn't my parents concern. In a lot of cases, I paid my own $10 copay as well. Not because I had to but because I felt that I should. An abortion is a medical procedure. It should be held to the same standard of individual rights.

And partnership conset? He doesn't have to carry the pregnancy and can walk away from it any time he desires. The woman is the one stuck with all the emotional and physical baggage of it. A lot goes into having a baby even if you are going to put it up for adoption. A woman shouldn't be forced to do things she doesn't want to do.

[rainbowtreat]

And partnership conset? He doesn't have to carry the pregnancy and can walk away from it any time he desires. The woman is the one stuck with all the emotional and physical baggage of it. A lot goes into having a baby even if you are going to put it up for adoption. A woman shouldn't be forced to do things she doesn't want to do.

In this part I have heard alot of discussion. The father may want the child even if the mother doesnt. so beause he cant carry it and deliver it then he has no rights? but it goes the other way as well. If the father wants nothing to do with the baby he cant make the mother have an abortion or put it up for adoption and she can go after him for child support. So the moth has all the control. She keeps it and makes the guy pay, or she can get rid of it any way she chooses. But if the guy wants it and the mother doesnt he cant make her carry it for 9 months and have it and then hand it over. In most cases a young boy or an older guy for that matter would care less. But for the ones who do want that baby they have no choice. That I think is wrong. They may want to take responsiblety and raise that child. They may realize I did make a mistake so I have to deal with it. I know is sounds far fetched but it does happen. And he has no control what so ever. The woman has all the control. If she doenst want it it is gone one way or another, if she does but he doesnt he is still stuck paying for the child becuase she will go after child support. Again the guy has no choice.




As for my opion on this topic. It is a hard one. I dont beleive in it for me. I would never do it. I know a couple of people who have been through it. I dont suport them for what they did. in one case she just didnt want the baby. So she had it done. In anohter case she didnt know she was pregnant and had x-rays done on her back. she knew the baby would most likely be deformed or something. She did not feal right bringing a child into this world that way knowing she did that to them. But she also felt that if that baby was metn to be that God would have never let that happen. She had had 2 kids prior to that and one after. She does think about it alot but she feels she did the right thing.

I also worked with a girl in child care. We took care of a downsydrome girl. she was the most loving little girl. The girl I worked with said if she knew she was going to have a downsydrome baby she would get an abortion. She said after 18 they are not your responsiblty any more and with a child like that they are never gone. That I felt was just plain wrong.

I would not have an abortion myself and I dont think any one should other then for those reasons tated, like rape or harm to either baby or monther. These are extreme cases. But I am not going to push my feelings on this to any one else. It is how I feel and it is for my sake. Not somethign I would do. If god allowed me to get pregnant then there is a reason for that child on this planet. I dont feel it is my place to take that away from god or that child.

[CindySue]

Yeah that's pretty ignorant. Most planned parenthoods perfom abortions so I am surprised they don't.

I know of 3 here in East Texas and NONE of them preform abortions.

And Lacey, I know where you are coming from. I agree that it should be available to women who might need the service.
IMO its a big difference between someones b/c failing and diliberately not caring. Im not going to stop takin my b/c just because I can get an abortion. Most woman here in the US have access to a Health Clinic or Planned Parenthood to help with b/c even proviiding it for free in a lot of cases. I dont know if you can get help with the cost of abortions, but I know here youre going to pay anywhere from $350-$500 and it could be more.
Im not trying to sound rude to you Lacey, because I do understand where your coming from. I have so many stories where the service has been misused. My ex-step sister has 1 child thats 8. About 3 years ago her and her husband wanted a another child. They had to take meds to help things along. She got pregnant, they were happy, they get in a big fight, she ran out an had an abortion. He left her because she told him that it wasnt the baby she didnt want, she wanted to hurt him........
I also had a friend that was cheating on her husband (who thought they were trying for a baby) and she did get pregnant. She snuck and had one because she didnt think the baby was her husbands. Well I dont know what happened, but now she cant have any kids at all.
Again it really comes down to that each person will have to decide for themselves whether or not to do it.

[AngelinLove]

Although I do agree that abortion should be an option in the cases of rape, child molestation and when it is life and death...other than that I am strongly opposed and feel that it is murder. I feel that once a child is conceived it is a life and that God created that life and that for one person to choose to end that life because it is inconvenient for them at that time...is just WRONG!!! I am sorry but I have to agree that if a woman feels thats he is in a point in her life where she is stable/mature/ready to spread her legs, especially when she is not taking B/C that she is accepting the responsibility of pregnancy. Does this mean that she is accepting motherhood...no!! There is adoption and also the option that maybe the child's father might want teh child. What the hell happened to father's rights? They get none and the woman, I wouldn't call them mother's, get all the choices...to me that is BS and sexism. Okay...I am done, becuase this is a very touchy subject with me!!! All I am gonna say is that I am PRO-LIFE!!!! The woman who is pregnant that had consensual sex...already made her CHOICE when she spread her legs!!!! Here is a choice....use birth control...sorry I really am done now!!!!

[70707Bride]

I answered that a woman can do whatever she wants with her body but I think that if she goes out and has unprotected sex, then no its not right because it was her mistake in the first place. I personally wouldn't have an abortion. But I think that if she's raped then why should she be forced to go thru with the pregnancy?

[ladymelissa]

Lacey- When I made the statement about not using abortion as birth control, I was picturing women in the US. Third world countries, now that is another story.

And partnership conset? He doesn't have to carry the pregnancy and can walk away from it any time he desires. The woman is the one stuck with all the emotional and physical baggage of it. A lot goes into having a baby even if you are going to put it up for adoption. A woman shouldn't be forced to do things she doesn't want to do.

I also totally agree with this. It's not about sexism, it's the fact that the woman is the one that has to deal with the whole thing, all by herself. Like I said before, when science is able to grow an embryo to term in a lab or transplant it into someone else or something then others can have an opinion. As long as that embryo is solely dependent on that woman bringing it to life, the decision is hers.

I will also respectfully disagree with the people who can't have a baby thinking that abortion is wrong, just b/c they can't have one. The issue is between the pregnant woman and her body. There are plenty of people who throw away perfectly good food while others are starving, it's their food and their money to do as they wish with it, just as it is that woman's body to do as she feels she must.

I'll use myself as an example as far as being responsible before having to resort to abortion. To me being pregnant and/or raising a child would be a fate worse than death. I have so much I want to accomplish in my life and so little time to do it. But DH has a vasectomy, has tested negative for sperm in 2 tests AND we still use condoms, so if somehow I became pregnant, I would have absolutely no problems with an abortion. I would feel that we went above and beyond responsibility as far as birth control.

I am not so sure where I stand on parental consent. I never went to any doctor by myself before I was 18. I also know we needed parental consent forms for any field trip or even to watch a movie in school that was rated PG. I don't see why parental consent would be so horrible, maybe not even "consent" as much as the parents are just aware that their girl would have one.

[MOB Karen]

If a woman has more than one abortion in her life, then I say shame on her. Personally, I think one abortion is one too many, but any woman that has more than one is using abortion as birth control and that woman should stop having sex in my opinion.

[Kacie_bride]

As for paretnal consent. I disagree. I don't have to have parental consent for any other medical procedure. In high school if I was sick, I made the choice to call the doctor. I was responsible for going to the dentist and making my own appointments to fill my own cavities. I had to decide when I was going to the eye doctor as well. I made these decision. I took care of myself. It wasn't my parents concern. In a lot of cases, I paid my own $10 copay as well. Not because I had to but because I felt that I should. An abortion is a medical procedure. It should be held to the same standard of individual rights.



Well in Texas you have to have parental consent before any type of medical procedure is performed on a minor unless is an emergency procedure or the parents has signed a consent form for another person to make medical decisions.

Texas Family Code §151.003 gives parents the duty of providing medical and dental care to their children by which they have the explicit right to consent to that treatment and the right to access the health information to make treatment decisions. A Texas physician should obtain consent of one of the parents of a child who needs medical attention.

"Treatment" refers to medical, dental, psychological, psychiatric and surgical treatments.

I do not believe any minor, no matter how mature one may say they are, should have the right to make that kind of decision on their own. If you live under your parents roof and they are legally responsible for you then they deserve to know.

I also do believe that the father should be given the a choice if he wants the baby or not. Like I stated before, it really could never be accomplished in all cases, but in a perfect world I think he should have the chance. True, it is not his body, but the fetus's body is not the woman's body either. True she has to care for in inutero, but it still is not her body.

Like I said earlier, I am not 100% pro-life or 100% pro-choice. I just think there need to be regulations and I think it is very selfish for a woman to not inform her partner and let him decide if he wants to be a parent or not. But this is just my opinion.

[LaceyinPgh]

Well in Texas you have to have parental consent before any type of medical procedure is performed on a minor unless is an emergency procedure or the parents has signed a consent form for another person to make medical decisions.

Texas Family Code §151.003 gives parents the duty of providing medical and dental care to their children by which they have the explicit right to consent to that treatment and the right to access the health information to make treatment decisions. A Texas physician should obtain consent of one of the parents of a child who needs medical attention.

"Treatment" refers to medical, dental, psychological, psychiatric and surgical treatments.

I do not believe any minor, no matter how mature one may say they are, should have the right to make that kind of decision on their own. If you live under your parents roof and they are legally responsible for you then they deserve to know.

Unless knowing is going to in any way, shape, or form going to jeapordize that minor's life, welfare, or well being.

[Kacie_bride]

Unless knowing is going to in any way, shape, or form going to jeapordize that minor's life, welfare, or well being.

That is why I do not have a hard core opinion on the whole topic of abortion. It is not a black and white, right or wrong thing to me. If the minor happens to have bad parents and their situation could worsen with them knowing then in reality they should be removed from the home. I know this does not always happen. Many, many kids are in bad homes where they should not be. In that case I do not have an answer. However, in most cases I think the parents should be informed and get to make the final decision. That decision to have an abortion could psychologically affect a person for the rest of their life. Medical complications are rare in legal abortions, but the threat is there. I think it is normally only fair if a teen under 18 gets pregnant that her parents have to give consent for an abortion to occur. After all if something physically or emotionally goes wrong with their teen or preteen they are ultimately responsible for them.

[AllyM1]

My best friend works in a hospital with woman giving birth and she told me that (and I don't have all the terminology right) the head nurse or doctor I'm not sure which one, will give them these numbers like 4 pregnancies 2 births which would mean she had 2 abortions and 2 babies. She said there are numerous times where this is the case with women which I think is sick.

I am newly married, not done with college, am not financially or spiritualy stable. If I got pregnant now, it would be horrible and devastating. I am not ready at all, so we take all the precautionary measures to keep pregnancy from happening. If I were to get pregnant at this time, I would NEVER consider an abortion. I'm definitely not ready, but at the same time I am not ready to kill someone who couldn't help the situation. It is not a baby's choice to be conceived so they shouldn't be punished.

I am totally for parental consent. I am also totally for spouse approval as well. If I knew any women who got pregnant and then had an abortion without telling the father, I would hope that he would leave her.

I know it sounds harsh, and I'm not judging anyone's opinions because we all have our own, but those are my opinions.

I have felt this way since I was old enough to understand this and my beliefs will never change.

[LaceyinPgh]

My best friend works in a hospital with woman giving birth and she told me that (and I don't have all the terminology right) the head nurse or doctor I'm not sure which one, will give them these numbers like 4 pregnancies 2 births which would mean she had 2 abortions and 2 babies. She said there are numerous times where this is the case with women which I think is sick.

I'm not trying to change your opinion. I wish more people could form an educated opinion and hold to it while not conforming to what they feel other "think" they say.

But in a ob/gyn setting when they give a birth summary like 4 pregnancies/2 live that doesn't mean that the woman intentionally aborted a fetus. It just means that she got pregnant 4 times and 2 of those resulted in a live birth.

[cowboysbride]

I do not believe in it...but its for the reason that I cannot get pregnant and it upsets me that girls who can use it as a form of birth control. It is VERY upsetting to me to hear of people who accidently get pregnant and then have an abortion. If you are mature enough or ready to have sex, you should remember that there is always the possibility of pregnancy! Why punish a child who never asked for you to do that to them? IT really pisses me off...especially because my SIL's sister has had two abortions because she does not want to have child and here I am SUFFERING through infertilty. If you do not want children, tie your tubes or use EFFECTIVE birth control.

Sorry if I've offended anyone. This is a very very very touchy subject for me because of our experinces!!

ETA- I do agree with abortion if and when a woman was raped. This is truely an UNWANTED pregnancy and a woman should not have to go through that trauma!

I agree wholeheartedly with Shawna!

[WhiskeyGirl]

I agree wholeheartedly with Shawna!

Thank you Ellen!

As far as telling me that my thoughts and feelings are not valid because I suffer from infertility, I don't feel that's right! I would feel this way even if I COULD get pregnant! Don't ever discount a person's feelings until you've walked a mile (or even an inch) in there shoes!

[LizabethDavis]

Ahhh...the age old debate of abortion...

My outlook is that it is a women's body and she should have the right to do with it what she would like. That being said, girls who have MULTIPLE abortions do need to be stopped. I mean, use some bc for crying out loud. Abortions, so I hear, can be quite painful and do extreme damage to the body. Not too mention the cost of them.. Why put yourself through that when you could just take a pill or put on a patch or have the guy wrap it....

In third world countries, where they do not have the same rights as us, it may be another story. I can't begin to imagine what the women over there go through.

Would I ever have an abortion myself? No. Probably not. But of course, I could never say never. I know that if I was ever raped, I would certainly not want to keep that baby and would as a result have an abortion.

It is a very touchy subject for a lot of people, but one that everyone, I'm sure, has an opinion about.

[WebLady]

As far as telling me that my thoughts and feelings are not valid because I suffer from infertility, I don't feel that's right!

Did I miss something? Who said that to you?

[Valmai]

The pro-life movement is not as strong over here as it is in the US, very rarely u hear of any sort of protest going on outside clinics etc. I like to think that most women who have abortions have thought a great deal about it and dont go about this procedure lightly, and the last thing they need is a load of abuse. I feel that a woman has a right over her own body, but that also extends to having the right not to get pregnant in the first place but there are many situations that this right can be taken away. If an abortion is carried out early enough then all happens is the woman is given some tablets - no actual physical procedure carried out.
Forcing a woman to have a child which she does not want is a terrible tortures, to have to go thru all those months with something you hate growing inside you must be hell. There are many children who are abused and treated badly because their parents just dont know how to look after them. As far as parental consent then if the girl was able to talk to her parents then maybe the pregnancy wouldnt have occured in the first place and at least she would be acting in an adult manner by consulting her doctor etc - why should she be punished for acting in a mature way? x

[StaceyMc]

Would I have an abortion? Probably not. Do I think that I or some gray haired politician or judge has the right to tell someone else what to do with their body? Nope. It's a personal choice, and a choice not made lightly.

I really don't think that someone gets pregnant, decides she doesn't want a child and happily skips over to the nearest clinic. It was a heartwrenching decision for a previous co-worker of mine, who was telling me about it a number of years later and who cried during our conversation. It was the hardest decision she ever had to make and thought about it almost daily all of those years later.

I also don't believe that abortion is used as a form of birth control as much as everyone claims.

The thought of it being outlawed is scary, at least to me, for the reasons that Lacey talked about. I've read about "back alley" abortions and it just sent shivers down my spine. Infertility is the least of your worries when someone has one of those. *shudder* I don't even want to think about someone being so desperate and not having access to a safer medical procedure.

[AllyM1]

I'm not trying to make anyone mad here, but the whole "back-alley abortion" was inflated by a pro-abortion activist. If abortion was made illegal, it would not make back alley abortions prominent.

Before Roe v Wade was passed (unconstitutionaly might I add) making abortions LEGAL, 90% of ILLEGAL abortions were committed in the U.S. by trained and licensed physicians. The whole idea of back alley abortions was drummed up by the pro-abortion crowd to try to get people to back them.

Like I've said before, I won't judge you if you have had an abortion, but I feel that it is completely wrong.

I feel that if abortion was made illegal again, it would make people more responsible. If "Tina" who has already had an abortion just because she "didn't want the thing," doesn't have the option to have an abortion again, maybe she'll be smarter about her sex practices. That's just MHO.

I don't agree with it myself, but I would say the only way that I would feel an abortion would be okay FOR SOMEONE ELSE, is maybe if their life is in danger if they have the child... but those cases are rare these days with the medical technology.

Rape, incest, "just don't want it," are not valid reasons for me.

[MOB Karen]

Rape, incest, "just don't want it," are not valid reasons for me.

I am not going to give birth to a child of a rapist or a family member. Good lord! In my opinion, those are extremely valid reasons to have an abortion!!! And I wholeheartedly support any woman who chooses that option under those circumstances!!!

[Kacie_bride]

I am not going to give birth to a child of a rapist or a family member. Good lord! In my opinion, those are extremely valid reasons to have an abortion!!! And I wholeheartedly support any woman who chooses that option under those circumstances!!!

I agree. Look at the studies done on twins. A child of a rapist could share the same characteristics because of DNA. Not saying that any child of a rapist will commmit rape or have other problems, but why take the risk? Environment is a big part of personality, but not everything. And if a 12 year old is raped she is supposed to have a baby? No way.

[hummingbird521]

I too feel those are valid reasons for abortion.

[AllyM1]

There's no need to jump all over my opinion when I have respected everyone elses.

[Kacie_bride]

There's no need to jump all over my opinion when I have respected everyone elses.

I don't think anyone is jumping on your opinion. I think Karen, Treasia, and I are just stating our opinion as well. We respect your opinion.

[MOB Karen]

There's no need to jump all over my opinion when I have respected everyone elses.


I respect your opinion, I just wanted to respectfully disagree with it.

[AllyM1]

Sorry, I probably jumped to conclusions... I apologize! =)

I'm just going to ignore this thread, bc this is a very heated topic for me..

[Kacie_bride]

Sorry, I probably jumped to conclusions... I apologize! =)

I'm just going to ignore this thread, bc this is a very heated topic for me..

No problem. This can be a very emotional topic.

[cowboysbride]

Sorry, I probably jumped to conclusions... I apologize! =)

I'm just going to ignore this thread, bc this is a very heated topic for me..

Don't feel bad sweetheart, I have my heated topics too, Karen and I have learned to agree to disagree and sometimes I don't go along with what Lacey or Shawna says but they are still some of my best friends on here! We all have our opinions and we are all very motivated women with valuable opinions...

Sorry for jumping in, I understood what you said and what the other girls said too...I just wanted you to know that you're not intentionally being picked on...I learned that quite quickly when I first came on line!:bbmrgreen:

[mlm063007]

I agree that this issue is not black & white. I, personally, believe that it is completley the womans choice. I would NEVER be able to do this, but just because I wouldn't, why should I say that someone else shouldn't? I agree with almost everything that Lacey has said, it is each individual persons right to decide what their choice is.

[StaceyMc]

I'm not trying to make anyone mad here, but the whole "back-alley abortion" was inflated by a pro-abortion activist. If abortion was made illegal, it would not make back alley abortions prominent.

Before Roe v Wade was passed (unconstitutionaly might I add) making abortions LEGAL, 90% of ILLEGAL abortions were committed in the U.S. by trained and licensed physicians. The whole idea of back alley abortions was drummed up by the pro-abortion crowd to try to get people to back them.



I am positive that the information that I studied and researched in a women's class in college about back alley abortions was not "drummed up". Besides, the 10% of woman who had to resort to that type of procedure is 10% too many, but tha'ts only my opinion.

[WebLady]

I stated my opinion early on and I've tried to stay out of it, but I had this to add ...

As for the issue of 'back alley' abortion, I doubt anyone is actually having this procedure in some alley behind a dumpster or anything. A back-alley abortion is a slang term for an illegal abortion.

I do believe that people have and will go out and find ways to do this if it is not readily available to them, no matter what the laws are. And in doing so they may end up doing it themselves in secret or seek out the assistance of someone who may or may not be a licenced doctor which could put them at greater risk.

Having said that, I did find this interesting bit of info on Wikipedia on Back-alley_abortion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back-alley_abortion)

And this - Nine Reasons Why Abortions are Legal (http://www.coolnurse.com/abortion_legal.htm)

This is a touchy subject for many and we all obviously have strong opinions. But lets not forget that we all have a right to our own opinions even if we disagree with each other. If the subject is too much for you that you can't see past your views to be respectful of others then maybe you should not subscribe to this thread. I luv you all and respect your opinions even if they don't match my own.

[nikkiana]

I sort of feel that it's a woman's right to do what she wishes... but at the same time, I'm not terribly supportive of abortion either. I'm not going to disown someone if I know they're going to get an abortion, but if they ask my opinion, I'd definately advise against it....

I don't think it's a clear cut issue by any stretch of the imagination...

[racecargirl]

I've had one. I was young and it was a rape situation. Honestly I don't see how anyone would use this as a form of birth control. It's painful. You feel a sense of loss. But if I could go back and change it I wouldn't.

I lost a second child due to my ex beating the :censored: out of me. And now I can't have kids. I've accepted it and felt like maybe God is telling me I'm just not meant to. And maybe that's why I've never had a mothering instinct.

I do think it's a woman's right to choose. And I think for those women who do have one it's not an easy decision. And if someone has made that decision you go through a lot of scrutiny for it. Even in a situation like mine.

Oh and I have heard of a court case where the father wanted the baby and was able to get a court order for the mother to have the baby. I'm pretty sure it was in one of my law classes. I'll have to look and see if I can find anything on it.

[WebLady]

... Oh and I have heard of a court case where the father wanted the baby and was able to get a court order for the mother to have the baby. I'm pretty sure it was in one of my law classes. I'll have to look and see if I can find anything on it.
I have mixed feelings on this kind of thing. For me, if I had gotten pregnant before I was married or in a serious relationship, I probably wouldn't have told the guy ... if I did and he didn't agree with my choice then we wouldn't be together anymore.

I feel like it is the woman that has to go through the emotional and physical aspects of carrying a child so it is there choice whether they want to go through with it. I don't want the government, society or anyone else telling me what I should do with my body. You just can't force people to do things they don't want to do.

But I think this all goes back to open and honest communication in the relationship and safer sex practices.

[Kacie_bride]

But I think this all goes back to open and honest communication in the relationship and safer sex practices.

Exactly! I couldn't agree more!

[CindySue]

I have mixed feelings on this kind of thing. For me, if I had gotten pregnant before I was married or in a serious relationship, I probably wouldn't have told the guy ... if I did and he didn't agree with my choice then we wouldn't be together anymore.

I feel like it is the woman that has to go through the emotional and physical aspects of carrying a child so it is there choice whether they want to go through with it. I don't want the government, society or anyone else telling me what I should do with my body. You just can't force people to do things they don't want to do.

But I think this all goes back to open and honest communication in the relationship and safer sex practices.
Im wondered if this was what i was doing by taking my ex to court for child support. In away Im forcing him to be a dad, arent I? Even though we were married, and this was agreed in the divorce? Ok, even if this isnt the case here, what about when 2 people are just "kicking it" and she gets pregnant, by accident or intent, and he doesnt want kids ever, is it fair that she can take him to court and force him to be a dad? Especially if she knew he didnt and intentionally got pregnant? Sure he can sign his rights over, but thats not as easy as people might think.
A man cant force a woman to have a baby if he wants the child, but he cant force her not to if he doesnt...........seems like men are getting the ****** deal here. Even if it is our bodies.
Now I know Im going to get blasted for this, and believe me Im pro-choice, but if tyou stop and think, sometimes its not just the women affected here. If the man knows he had made a child, wanted it, and it was aborted - its going to hurt him too. If the man view the pregnancy as unwanted, the court is going to make him pay child support for 18 years, whether he ever develops a relationship with the child or not. Can someone tell me how this is fair?

[AllyM1]

I was reading some things and I actually found that a lot of people feel that women use abortion as birth control method, but I actually found out that 3/4 of women who get an abortion get it for financial reasons.

I'm sorry, but to me, that's horrible. If you get pregnant and you can't support the baby, why not just give it up for adoption? It's not like you don't want it or you feel embarrassed to be pregnant... 3/4... It's more of a, "I already have 3 kids and I'm a single mom supporting them off of low salary, how am I going to support a 4th?" I dunno, like I said, this is just my opinion but I think adoption would be the better solution for a reason like this.

Like I said before, I don't think that all the women who get abortions are horrible people, not the case at all. I think many women just get scared and get an abortion before they completely think it through.

I have read so many stories about women who have regretted having an abortion. Out of the thousands of stories I've read over the years, I have read maybe 5 stories where the woman had no remorse.

[Kacie_bride]

Im wondered if this was what i was doing by taking my ex to court for child support. In away Im forcing him to be a dad, arent I? Even though we were married, and this was agreed in the divorce? Ok, even if this isnt the case here, what about when 2 people are just "kicking it" and she gets pregnant, by accident or intent, and he doesnt want kids ever, is it fair that she can take him to court and force him to be a dad? Especially if she knew he didnt and intentionally got pregnant? Sure he can sign his rights over, but thats not as easy as people might think.
A man cant force a woman to have a baby if he wants the child, but he cant force her not to if he doesnt...........seems like men are getting the ****** deal here. Even if it is our bodies.
Now I know Im going to get blasted for this, and believe me Im pro-choice, but if tyou stop and think, sometimes its not just the women affected here. If the man knows he had made a child, wanted it, and it was aborted - its going to hurt him too. If the man view the pregnancy as unwanted, the court is going to make him pay child support for 18 years, whether he ever develops a relationship with the child or not. Can someone tell me how this is fair?

I am with you here, Cindy. I think men can get the raw end of a deal. Issues like this are why I am not pro-choice or pro-life. It is not a black and white issue.

[AllyM1]

Im wondered if this was what i was doing by taking my ex to court for child support. In away Im forcing him to be a dad, arent I? Even though we were married, and this was agreed in the divorce? Ok, even if this isnt the case here, what about when 2 people are just "kicking it" and she gets pregnant, by accident or intent, and he doesnt want kids ever, is it fair that she can take him to court and force him to be a dad? Especially if she knew he didnt and intentionally got pregnant? Sure he can sign his rights over, but thats not as easy as people might think.
A man cant force a woman to have a baby if he wants the child, but he cant force her not to if he doesnt...........seems like men are getting the ****** deal here. Even if it is our bodies.
Now I know Im going to get blasted for this, and believe me Im pro-choice, but if tyou stop and think, sometimes its not just the women affected here. If the man knows he had made a child, wanted it, and it was aborted - its going to hurt him too. If the man view the pregnancy as unwanted, the court is going to make him pay child support for 18 years, whether he ever develops a relationship with the child or not. Can someone tell me how this is fair?


My personal opinion is that if a woman can kill their unborn child without his consent and that's okay, then a man should not have to be forced to pay child support on a child he does not want.

I know I'll get flack for this, but if a woman doesn't want the child, why make her carry it right? If a man doesn't want to take care of a child a woman has, why make him support the child?

[WebLady]

Cindy brings up some interesting points ...

Im wondered if this was what i was doing by taking my ex to court for child support. In away Im forcing him to be a dad, arent I? Even though we were married, and this was agreed in the divorce?

The way I see it it this ... is you were married and agreed to have children then the marriage later ended for whatever reason, well that doesn't change the fact that you are both parents and should be responsible for your children. So pay the child support and do the visitation and all that.

... what about when 2 people are just "kicking it" and she gets pregnant, by accident or intent, and he doesnt want kids ever, is it fair that she can take him to court and force him to be a dad? Especially if she knew he didnt and intentionally got pregnant? Sure he can sign his rights over, but thats not as easy as people might think.

A man cant force a woman to have a baby if he wants the child, but he cant force her not to if he doesnt...........seems like men are getting the ****** deal here. Even if it is our bodies.

If you are a guy and you know that you don't ever want to have kids then do something about it and make sure it doesn't happen. DH knew long before he met me that he didn't want kids, so he had a vasectomy.

If you want to have kids then you need to open and honest with your partner about that and not get with someone that doesn't want the same things you do. So if/when accidents happen you will agree on how to handle it.

... Now I know Im going to get blasted for this, and believe me Im pro-choice, but if tyou stop and think, sometimes its not just the women affected here. If the man knows he had made a child, wanted it, and it was aborted - its going to hurt him too. If the man view the pregnancy as unwanted, the court is going to make him pay child support for 18 years, whether he ever develops a relationship with the child or not. Can someone tell me how this is fair?

I would never blast you or anyone else for stating your opinion, even if I didn't agree :bbmrgreen:

You are right, it is often more than just the woman that is affected with a pregnancy.

But if you are going to have unprotected sex you have to be responsible for whatever consequences that may bring. If you get knocked up and you choose to have the child on your own and your partner doesn't want it then you shouldn't force him to. And I don't think it is fair that you can have a one night stand, get knocked up and sue the guy. I think this kind of thing should be looked at on a per case basis.

And if you're a guy and you want a child and but your partner doesn't then you can't force it. So again it all goes back to open and honest communication in the relationship and safer sex practices.

Now will everyone do that, probably not ... is it always fair, no but what can ya do?

[LaceyinPgh]

Im wondered if this was what i was doing by taking my ex to court for child support. In away Im forcing him to be a dad, arent I? Even though we were married, and this was agreed in the divorce? Ok, even if this isnt the case here, what about when 2 people are just "kicking it" and she gets pregnant, by accident or intent, and he doesnt want kids ever, is it fair that she can take him to court and force him to be a dad? Especially if she knew he didnt and intentionally got pregnant? Sure he can sign his rights over, but thats not as easy as people might think.
A man cant force a woman to have a baby if he wants the child, but he cant force her not to if he doesnt...........seems like men are getting the ****** deal here. Even if it is our bodies.
Now I know Im going to get blasted for this, and believe me Im pro-choice, but if tyou stop and think, sometimes its not just the women affected here. If the man knows he had made a child, wanted it, and it was aborted - its going to hurt him too. If the man view the pregnancy as unwanted, the court is going to make him pay child support for 18 years, whether he ever develops a relationship with the child or not. Can someone tell me how this is fair?
It has to do with liability. If a woman gets pregnant, keeps the child, and tries to raise it yet falls on hard times, with no father in the picture, the responsibility for raising that child falls to the state (basically to the tax payer). State and federal governemnts view that as unfair so in most cases if paternity can be proven financial responsibilty falls to the father. The roots of the laws go back to a more antiquated time when women didn't or couldn't work. The men were souly responsible for the financial security of the family. This was also a time well before birth control or legalized abortions. The laws are antiquated but they still stand for reasons. (Who is to say that the man didn't want the pregnancy? Who is to decide if it was an accidental tear in the condom or a needle prick to the condom? What happens if the man wants the baby then changes his mind when someone new enters the picture?)

As for the other scenario. There are several cases of women being served with restraining orders to prevent abortions. As far as I am aware, none of those held up in court. There are two ways to look at this. The one way is the same as how assualt is viewed by the court system. I have the right to swing my arms in the air. I can do this anyplace or time that I desire. However, my right to do this action ends where your nose begins. Because the second I come in contact with your body I infringe upon your rights to be standing in a public place. The man can get the woman pregnant, but he can't force her to have the baby. His rights end at the place that her body begins. It just so happens that the fetus involved is residing in the woman's body.

The other school of thought is based on how Roe v. Wade was decided. Roe v. Wade isn't a civil rights issue. It is a privacy issue. Your body is viewed as private. The governemnt cannot dictate to you what to do with your body. It is a private matter to you. The Supreme Court ruled based on a case called Griswald v. Connecticut. It was a law that married couples in the state of Connecticut were not legally allowed to purchase contraceptives. Now, the law wasn't really enforced. But it was still on the books. So Griswald purchased contraceptives and got arrested for it. The courts ruled that the law was unfounded because what a married couple did in their home was not the governement's domain to rule upon. Now back to the case in point, men forcing women to carry out a pregnancy. The woman's body is her own. It is her private matter. Her partner nor the government cannot force her to undertake any action she doesn't wish with that private matter (her body).

It is all just a lot of reading and interpretation of what others have felt, said, and acted upon while being viewed in the contexts of legality and constitutionality.

[CindySue]

I am so glad that everyone is allowed to have their opinions here!!!

Brandi, one instance I know of a man forced to support a child he didnt want did want a vasectomy but was only 20 and therefore couldnt find a doctor to do it because of his age. Texas tends to be like that, with getting tubes tied too. Anyway he was with a girl and they had been together for about 3 years. She knew he didnt want kids. She was getting the depo shot. He still used condoms. Well somehow she became pregnant. Come to find out she hadnt gotten her shots for a year. She had also sabotaged his condoms. (the reason I know this is because he took her to court to try and sign his rights over, and it ALL came out there!) Anyway, hes supporting a child he didnt want, a child forced on him. IMO - thats just not right.

If a couple do agree to have a child then yes, both parties should be responsible for the support of that child. Even if they split, and one finds someone else and wants to start over.

Lacey, I love how you back up everything with legal talk. Youre the greatest!!!
I understand where youre coming from on all aspects. Im just saying that in a way its not fair that a woman cant be forced to be a mom, but a man can be forced to be a dad. Accidents happen and if she doesnt want it, she can get rid of it. But if he doesnt want, hes still gonna pay for it.

[LaceyinPgh]

I am so glad that everyone is allowed to have their opinions here!!!


Lacey, I love how you back up everything with legal talk. Youre the greatest!!!
I understand where youre coming from on all aspects. Im just saying that in a way its not fair that a woman cant be forced to be a mom, but a man can be forced to be a dad. Accidents happen and if she doesnt want it, she can get rid of it. But if he doesnt want, hes still gonna pay for it.

Right or wrong. Agree or disagree. Sometimes it is easier to understand something if you see where it comes it from.

I concur fully that the responsibilty for the child should fall on who wants the child as long as it isn't an accident. But how do we prove it was in fact an accident? Did she intentionally forget to take that pill. Or did she really forget to ttake that pill because the alarm didn't go off and she was rushed. And, if she did forget was it genuie or was it her subconscience acting out? Did he say, "Sure sweetie, I love you. I want to make a baby with you?" If he did say that did he mean it or was he just trying to get out of wearing a condom because "it just feels better?" Unfortunately there is no way to deterime someone's thoughts without recording every move and breath they take for their entire lives. Even in that case you only know the spoken thought not the inner feeling on the matter.

Is it fair? No. Is life fair? Absolutely not. Trust me, if life were fair I wouldn't be sitting here debating technical legality with a throbbing neck and back, while dreading having to get up to sit in meetings all **** day while worrying about the school year starting and having to go back to work. I would be on my private yacht off of the coast of Greece with Hugh Grant and Bono arguing over who got to help me reapply my sun tan oil. (And in this scenario cheesecake would actually be a negative calorie food!)

[WebLady]

... Brandi, one instance I know of a man forced to support a child he didnt want did want a vasectomy but was only 20 and therefore couldnt find a doctor to do it because of his age. Texas tends to be like that, with getting tubes tied too. Anyway he was with a girl and they had been together for about 3 years. She knew he didnt want kids. She was getting the depo shot. He still used condoms. Well somehow she became pregnant. Come to find out she hadnt gotten her shots for a year. She had also sabotaged his condoms. (the reason I know this is because he took her to court to try and sign his rights over, and it ALL came out there!) Anyway, hes supporting a child he didnt want, a child forced on him. IMO - thats just not right.

See now I don't understand why he couldn't sue her for pretending to be on BC and sabotaging the condoms. Why people play games like this is beyond me and yes it isn't always fair to the guy.

But a vasectomy can be done even at 18. It isn't common and you may have to search to find a doctor willing to do it, but if you want it bad enough it can be done. DH was like 25 when he got his vasectomy, he said he talked to several doctors that tried to talk him out of it and a couple that plain out refused to do it. But he persisted and got it done.

If I was a guy and I knew I didn't want kids, I would search and and low until I could find a doctor and get a vasectomy.

Before I met DH I wanted to have my tubed tied (at about 25) and I talked to a couple of doctors that tried to tell me there was some law that you couldn't have that done before the age of 30 :bbrolleyes: I came to find out later there was no such law that it is a doctors preference and many doctors just didn't believe in it.

[AllyM1]

The only problem that I have with Roe V Wade is the fact that the "right" to an abortion does not exist anywhere in the Constitution. It does not exist in the Bill of Rights, nor is it anywhere in the Declaration of Independence. For those of you who feel it is a "Constitutional" right, I am curious, where you see that in any of those three documents?

[LaceyinPgh]

The only problem that I have with Roe V Wade is the fact that the "right" to an abortion does not exist anywhere in the Constitution. It does not exist in the Bill of Rights, nor is it anywhere in the Declaration of Independence. For those of you who feel it is a "Constitutional" right, I am curious, where you see that in any of those three documents?

You have thousands if not millions of rights guaranteed to you that aren't specifically declared in either the federal or a state level Constitution. Just because it is a law or a ruling decision, doesn't mean that it has to be specifcally spelled out. The Bill of Rights specifies certain civil liberties to Americans as written by the Founding Fathers because those happen to be the most important hot button topics back in the day. You remember, the Bill of Rights was written after just coming out of the Revolutionary War where American Colonists were being denied these rights specifically by the British Government. That is why these particular issues are so clearly spelled out.

Not ever idea that will ever come up in ever court case that the Supreme Court presides over will be specifically spelled out word for word in the Constitution. The Supreme Court also does not rule specifically on the Consitituion. If in fact there are no specifics in the Constituion the Supreme Court will reference cases on the state and federal levels to reach their rulings. In some cases they will even look to the courts of other nations and take from those rulings. That being said, the main argument for this and many other cases lies within the vagueness of the due process clause, particularly in the 14th Amendment (a due process clause is also found in the 5th Amendment.) The vaguness of these particular clauses allows for them to evolve as time and society evolves. The Constitution is a liquid document. That means that it flows with the time. Hence, why it has lasted over 200 years. If every law was specifically laid out in it, the document would be come rigid. Over time it would be antiquated and no longer pertain to society. The issues faced in the 1700's and in 2006 are vastly different. The Constituitno was purposefully left vague in areas so that it could flow to fit the times as interpreted by legal minds of the specific day.

In Roe v. Wade the Justices (7 sitting) took from the Fourteenth Amendment's due process in clause in ruling, "A STATE CRIMINAL ABORTION STATUTE OF THE CURRENT TEXAS TYPE, THAT EXCEPTS FROM CRIMINALITY ONLY A LIFESAVING PROCEDURE ON BEHALF OF THE MOTHER, WITHOUT REGARD TO PREGNANCY STAGE AND WITHOUT RECOGNITION OF THE
OTHER INTERESTS INVOLVED, IS VIOLATIVE OF THE DUE PROCESS CLAUSE OF THE FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT." (Roe v. Wade 1973)

[WebLady]

The only problem that I have with Roe V Wade is the fact that the "right" to an abortion does not exist anywhere in the Constitution. It does not exist in the Bill of Rights, nor is it anywhere in the Declaration of Independence. For those of you who feel it is a "Constitutional" right, I am curious, where you see that in any of those three documents?

I don't think anyone ever said that we have a "Constitutional" right to have an abortion. Where the 'right' comes in is in the right to personal privacy. What I do with My life and MY body is MY choice and the government or society shouldn't be able to force me to do anything I don't want to do with MY life and MY body.

From what I know of Roe V Wade, it wasn't necessarily about the right to an abortion, it was about the right to personal privacy. And more so to preserve women's rights to such personal freedoms. Your body is yours and what you chose to do with it is a personal and private matter.

I think the biggest controversy over this issue is in the religious and/or moral views of others (mostly Catholics and Protestants who are opposed to abortion and contraception) the whole debate over when life actually begins and whos life is more important, the mother or the fetus.

[AllyM1]

The whole Constitutional right argument actually works in favor of the baby if you go that route.

The Constitution states that people cannot be deprived of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It also states in the Dec. of Ind that you have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Your rights end as soon as they infringe on the right's of another. So your "right" to murder your child, is infringing on the childs right to life.

Also to make mention that when a doctor takes his Hippocratic oath, he swears to uphold this...

I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.


Any physican who takes the hippocratic oath and then performs an abortion is breaking the oath he/she made.

[AllyM1]

I don't think anyone ever said that we have a "Constitutional" right to have an abortion. Where the 'right' comes in is in the right to personal privacy. What I do with My life and MY body is MY choice and the government or society shouldn't be able to force me to do anything I don't want to do with MY life and MY body.

From what I know of Roe V Wade, it wasn't necessarily about the right to an abortion, it was about the right to personal privacy. And more so to preserve women's rights to such personal freedoms. Your body is yours and what you chose to do with it is a personal and private matter.

I think the biggest controversy over this issue is in the religious and/or moral views of others (mostly Catholics and Protestants who are opposed to abortion and contraception) the whole debate over when life actually begins and whos life is more important, the mother or the fetus.

I understand where you are coming from. All I'm saying is that Roe Vs Wade is an UnConstitutional decision. Even if Roe V Wade was overturned, that's NOT going to make abortion illegal.

I have both moral and scientifical reasons why I am against abortion.

I'm not trying to argue with anyone, I just want people to see both sides of things when the Constitution and such are brought up.

BTW-I wasn't saying that anyone in particular said it's a constitutional right, although I did see someone say it... I'm just saying for those who feel so...

[WebLady]

I understand where you are coming from. All I'm saying is that Roe Vs Wade is an UnConstitutional decision. Even if Roe V Wade was overturned, that's NOT going to make abortion illegal.

While I agree that Roe v Wade and the whole abortion issue can be a separate issue, but I don't agree that it is Unconstitutional.

... Your rights end as soon as they infringe on the right's of another. So your "right" to murder your child, is infringing on the childs right to life.

This an argument I've heard from many pro life activists. It goes back to the debate over when life actually begins and whos life is more important, the mother or the fetus. I doubt anyone will ever agree on this subject.

But you have the right to your opinion and I respect it :bbmrgreen:

[AllyM1]

I do appreciate you being so nice and not hostile like many pro-choice people get about this subject.

What I mean by RoeVWade being unconstitutional is that it's not a ruling that has anything to do with the Constitution so therefore the court should never have ruled on it.

The whole "right to privacy" thing is... I don't know... it's only extended to abortion and that in mho isn't right...

This whole argument would also mean that drugs should be legal, prostitution should be legal, etc. Those are things you choose to do to your own body, so why should someone tell you you can't do these things?

Not that I do drugs, because I don't, but if I want to snort coke, the only body I am hurting is my own, so why should you tell me that I can do coke?

Also, the Supreme Court has ruled that it's Constitutional for us to own slaves, but we don't do that right? The Supreme court is not infallible.

I dunno... I don't want to argue because you girls are really nice people... I guess we'll all have to agree to disagree! =)

[LaceyinPgh]

The whole Constitutional right argument actually works in favor of the baby if you go that route.

The Constitution states that people cannot be deprived of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It also states in the Dec. of Ind that you have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Your rights end as soon as they infringe on the right's of another. So your "right" to murder your child, is infringing on the childs right to life.
You, the voter/adult in fact have those rights. Tragically, a fetus isn't deemed a human being in legal terms and hence forth does not. The opposite argument could be made that the fetus in fact is infringing on those same rights of the mother.

Also to make mention that when a doctor takes his Hippocratic oath, he swears to uphold this...



Any physican who takes the hippocratic oath and then performs an abortion is breaking the oath he/she made.

The Classical version of the Hippocratic Oath that you quoted is in fact true. Unfortunately it hasn't been used by American doctors since 1964. The link to the modern version taken from the PBS website is listed below.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_modern.html

[WebLady]

... This whole argument would also mean that drugs should be legal, prostitution should be legal, etc. Those are things you choose to do to your own body, so why should someone tell you you can't do these things?
These things affect more than just the user. Drugs hurt people on many levels. I am somewhat against the 'war on drugs' (or at least some on them) but that is another issue all together.

Prostitution affects others because of STD's and crime related to the practice. However, there are some areas where prostitution is legal and regulated. But again these issues are separate issues themselves.

I dunno... I don't want to argue because you girls are really nice people... I guess we'll all have to agree to disagree! =)

I agree ... I am all for agreeing to disagree.

[LaceyinPgh]

Ally, don't think that I am picking on you. I'm not. But I do feel the need to clarify some statements. I don't really care what anyone's opinion on the matter is. Frankly, I should be working right now anyway but this is just a desperate attempt to get out of the middle school social studies book committee and thus far if I appear to be busy when they walk by they leave me alone.


What I mean by RoeVWade being unconstitutional is that it's not a ruling that has anything to do with the Constitution so therefore the court should never have ruled on it.
The whole "right to privacy" thing is... I don't know... it's only extended to abortion and that in mho isn't right...
This case uses the 14th Amendment clause of due process to describe the idea of privacy. But the non specific cause of privacy or personal liberty as it is described instances can also be found in other Constitutional Amendements doing basically the same thing. The following relevence for this was cited in the case:
"THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT EXPLICITLY MENTION ANY RIGHT OF PRIVACY. IN A LINE OF DECISIONS, HOWEVER, GOING BACK PERHAPS AS FAR AS UNION PACIFIC R.CO. V. BOTSFORD, 141 U.S. 250, 251 (1891), THE COURT HAS RECOGNIZED THATA RIGHT OF PERSONAL PRIVACY, OR A GUARANTEE OF CERTAIN AREAS OR ZONES OF PRIVACY, DOES EXIST UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. IN VARYING CONTEXTS, THE COURT OR INDIVIDUAL JUSTICES HAVE, INDEED, FOUND AT LEAST THE ROOTS OF THAT RIGHT IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT, STANLEY V. GEORGIA, 394 U.S. 557, 564 (1969); IN THE FOURTH AND FIFTH AMENDMENTS, TERRY V. OHIO, 392 U.S. 1, 8-9 (1968), KATZ V. UNITED STATES, 389 U.S. 347, 350 (1967), BOYD V. UNITED STATES, 116 U.S. 616 (1886), SEE OLMSTEAD V. UNITED STATES, 277
U.S. 438, 478 (1928) (BRANDEIS, J., DISSENTING); IN THE PENUMBRAS OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS, GRISWOLD V. CONNECTICUT, 381 U.S.,AT 484-485; IN THE NINTH AMENDMENT, ID., AT 486 (GOLDBERG, J., CONCURRING); OR IN THE CONCEPT OF LIBERTY GUARANTEED BY THE FIRST SECTION OF THE FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT, SEE MEYER V. NEBRASKA, 262 U.S. 390, 399 (1923). THESE DECISIONS MAKE IT CLEAR THAT ONLY PERSONAL RIGHTS THAT CAN BE DEEMED "FUNDAMENTAL" OR "IMPLICIT IN THE CONCEPT OF ORDERED LIBERTY," PALKO V. CONNECTICUT, 302 U.S. 319, 325 (1937), ARE INCLUDED IN THIS GUARANTEE OF PERSONAL PRIVACY. THEY ALSO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE RIGHT HAS SOME EXTENSION TO ACTIVITIES RELATING TO MARRIAGE, LOVING V. VIRGINIA, 388 U.S. 1, 12 (1967); PROCREATION, SKINNER V. OKLAHOMA, 316 U.S. 535, 541-542 (1942); CONTRACEPTION, EISENSTADT V. BAIRD, 405 U.S.,AT 453-454; ID., AT 460, 463-465 (WHITE J., CONCURRING IN RESULT); FAMILY RELATIONSHIPS, PRINCE V. MASSACHUSETTS, 321 U.S. 158, 166 (1944); AND CHILD REARING AND EDUCATION, PIERCE V. SOCIETY OF SISTERS, 268 U.S. 510, 535 (1925), MEYER V. NEBRASKA, SUPRA. " (Court Opinion, Roe v. Wade 1973)




Also, the Supreme Court has ruled that it's Constitutional for us to own slaves, but we don't do that right? The Supreme court is not infallible.
You can't own slaves. There is no court ruling on that. The 13th Amendment ratified in 1865 puts an end to that. Any court ruling dealing with slavery BEFORE December 1865 is moot in point.

[PurpleFlower]

I am 100% pro-choice! I do believe that it should not be used as a form of birth control. I believe it is up to each woman to make the choice that is right for her, the father and the unborn child. I think it would be unfair not only to woman but the child also if the govenment forced women to keep the babies even if unwanted. It would be so hard for that child to not be given the love it would deserve all because it was not wanted. I believe many unwanted babies would suffer!! So in the end this is something I have a very strong opinion on and I believe that the woman should be able to know ALL of her options and choose what is best for her!

[PurpleFlower]

The whole Constitutional right argument actually works in favor of the baby if you go that route.

The Constitution states that people cannot be deprived of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It also states in the Dec. of Ind that you have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Your rights end as soon as they infringe on the right's of another. So your "right" to murder your child, is infringing on the childs right to life.

Also to make mention that when a doctor takes his Hippocratic oath, he swears to uphold this...



Any physican who takes the hippocratic oath and then performs an abortion is breaking the oath he/she made.

Now this is not meant to attack anyone Just a thought I had and I had to put it out there! PLEASE do not take offense to it!

If you put it like this then doesn't the fetus start to infringe upon the rights of the woman. That fetus is dependent upon that woman for everything. If taken out it would not be able to survive on its own, It can not sustain without taking control of the woman for around 6 months. Isn't this infringing upon her rights to liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

[ladymelissa]

Now this is not meant to attack anyone Just a thought I had and I had to put it out there! PLEASE do not take offense to it!

If you put it like this then doesn't the fetus start to infringe upon the rights of the woman. That fetus is dependent upon that woman for everything. If taken out it would not be able to survive on its own, It can not sustain without taking control of the woman for around 6 months. Isn't this infringing upon her rights to liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

My thoughts exactly.

[AllyM1]

Yes an unborn child is dependent upon the mother, so is a 2 year old, a 7 year old, 13 year old, etc... we don't kill them do we?

Some adults are still dependent upon other people but we don't kill them.

There is no right to privacy in the Constitution. It's an implied right.

When referencing whether something is a Constitutional right or a natural right it's always good to know what the differences are. Abortion should never be refered to as a Constitutional right, but a natural right. (Although I feel there is no right, unless perhaps it would affect the mothers life.)

The only Constitutional rights are those specifically outlined in the constitution. Lacey is right that there are rights we have that are not in the Constitution, but those are called natural rights.

Anyway, like I said before, no one is going to change anothers opinion. We can all agree to disagree.

[AllyM1]

And anyway, it's a simple solution... if you don't want the possibility of a child, use protection, birth control, or simply don't open your legs.

[PurpleFlower]

Yes an unborn child is dependent upon the mother, so is a 2 year old, a 7 year old, 13 year old, etc... we don't kill them do we?

Some adults are still dependent upon other people but we don't kill them.


Anyway, like I said before, no one is going to change anothers opinion. We can all agree to disagree.

I agree to dissagee and I believe every one is intitled to their own opinions!

Saying that here is my opinion on this, yes a child age 2 is still dependent on someone to help it but at the same time is able to sustain life (breathing and heart beating) on its own.

Ok I had something else I was going to get at but it isn't comming out right. Oh well Just like you say Ally Agree to dissagee!

[AllyM1]

You talk about an unborn child like it's an alien. It's not taking over the woman's body. It is IN the body, but a baby is not PART of a woman's body.

I respect your opinion, and others here, I just respectfully disagree.

Every scenario given can go back and forth for days upon days by both sides... that doesn't neccessarily mean one is more right than the other.

[ladymelissa]

I agree to dissagee and I believe every one is intitled to their own opinions!

Saying that here is my opinion on this, yes a child age 2 is still dependent on someone to help it but at the same time is able to sustain life (breathing and heart beating) on its own. It is no longer taking control of this womans body.
Ok I had something else I was going to get at but it isn't comming out right. Oh well Just like you say Ally Agree to dissagee!

That is what I was going to say. And agree to disagree.

Like I said earlier in the thread, IMO others can have an opinion when that fetus can be transplanted and grown to term elsewhere. To me, it is between that woman and her body and anything that is in, dependent upon or part of.

[PurpleFlower]

That is what I was going to say. And agree to disagree.

Like I said earlier in the thread, IMO others can have an opinion when that fetus can be transplanted and grown to term elsewhere. To me, it is between that woman and her body and anything that is in, dependent upon or part of.

I agree also!

[CarlosHoney]

This is a tough issue for me. I speak from both sides. I feel like it's my only regret in life.. I didn't want to do it. I cried through the whole procedure. I have nightmares, and it kills me to think that Elias would have a brother today... :bbcry: I don't feel like I murdered a baby, though.. I did it the day I turned 6 weeks (which is the earliest that it can be done) and I feel that it was a lump of tissue. It had the potential to be a baby.

I notice that a lot of people who believe that it's murder, no matter what, and want Roe vs Wade overturned also support abstinence only sex ed, or none at all. I think that we need better education in our schools about sexuality, and the options that are avalable. I also think that condoms should be avalable in schools and birth control should be made readily avalable and affordable for students in high school.. And I think that they shouldn't need parental consent (for the BC).

I do want to commend everyone for keeping this civil! Most messageboards would explode into flaming on this topic. Onewed is the best!! :bbmrgreen:

[AllyM1]

I notice that a lot of people who believe that it's murder, no matter what, and want Roe vs Wade overturned also support abstinence only sex ed, or none at all. I think that we need better education in our schools about sexuality, and the options that are avalable. I also think that condoms should be avalable in schools and birth control should be made readily avalable and affordable for students in high school.

Now I am for abstinence, but the simple fact of reality is that kids are not going to stop having sex. I feel that kids should be taught abstinence is the best option, but if you feel that you really want to, these are your other options... BC, condoms, etc. I also feel that it should be easier for kids to go to maybe not their parent if they are too scared, but someone else that will help them get BC.. Condoms you can get anywhere so that cannot be an excuse.

I also feel that when a girl gets pregnant I feel that she should be told all her options and not just abortion. I have a friend who got pregnant and she went to the dr and the dr told her, "If you do not want this child, I can give you information on abortion. I know it's a tough topic, but it may be the right one for you." She said NOTHING about adoption.

This is not what a doctor should be doing. She was offered the option of abortion right away. That is wrong. And I myself remember that doctor and I will let everyone I know hear about this so they do not go to that doctor.

I do appreciate also how this remained civil. I have dealt with pro-abortion people before and they are very hostile people. So thank you everyone.

[MOB Karen]

I have dealt with pro-abortion people before and they are very hostile people. So thank you everyone.

I so agree that this topic has remained civil. That shows the maturity level of Onewed members. But I have to comment on what Ally said. I always thought it was the pro-life people who were the most hostile about this topic. I mean some have even resorted to murder.

[cowboysbride]

I so agree that this topic has remained civil. That shows the maturity level of Onewed members. But I have to comment on what Ally said. I always thought it was the pro-life people who were the most hostile about this topic. I mean some have even resorted to murder.

Hmm, resorting to murder in "support" of pro-life.............just goes to show that there are imbuciles in every walk of life and opinion....

I stayed out of this one, my baby making state of mind couldn't discuss it unbiased...but I will say that all of you are what makes ONEWED the best place to be!

[MOB Karen]

Hmm, resorting to murder in "support" of pro-life.............just goes to show that there are imbuciles in every walk of life and opinion....

I stayed out of this one, my baby making state of mind couldn't discuss it unbiased...but I will say that all of you are what makes ONEWED the best place to be!

I always thought that was crazy too, Ellen. I mean they are pro-life, but then they murder. That is so hypocritical to me!

[CarlosHoney]

I have dealt with pro-abortion people before and they are very hostile people.I'd like to clarify something.. If not only for myself..

Just because someone isn't "pro-life" (I don't think it's an isue with a clear cut "either pro life or pro death" stance for most people) doens't mean that they are pro-abortion.

Personally, I'm pro-choice. I think that a woman should have dominion over her body. If someone doesn't want to have that pregnancy come full term, that's her choice. Her body. That doesn't mean that anyone must do it.. It just means that there is more than one option. :bbmrgreen:

For a government to impose the ruler's religous beliefs (I feel that abortion is a religous preferance) on the people is wrong.

[AngelinLove]

I am pro-life, but I still agree that just because someone is pro-choice does not mean that they are pro-abortion.

[MOB Karen]

I am absolutely not pro-abortion. It wouldn't be something I would do, but I defend any woman's right to do it. That is her choice.

[PurpleFlower]

I just want to say thank you ladies for your opinions and for making this a place where you can express your opinions and not cause a big heated debate! THank you!!

I agree, that Pro-choice is exactly that, giving women choices that they can look at and choose what is best for them!

[AllyM1]

Well I respect all of you... like I said, you all are great gals..

But if you feel that pro-choice and pro-abortion aren't the same, then how are they different?

If you look up the two words in a dictionary, they have the same exact definition.

Webster's definitions

Main Entry: pro-choice http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?procho01.wav=pro-choice'))
Pronunciation: (")prO-'chois
Function: adjective
: favoring the legalization of abortion
- pro-choic·er http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?procho02.wav=pro-choicer')) /-'choi-s&r/ noun

Main Entry: pro·abor·tion http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?proabo01.wav=proabortion'))
Pronunciation: "prO-&-'bor-sh&n
Function: adjective
: favoring the legalization of abortion
- pro-abor·tion·ist http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?proabo02.wav=pro-abortionist')) /-sh(&-)nist/ noun


I don't want any of you to feel that I am being offensive, but I'm not. The two are the exact same.

[AllyM1]

Most people do feel abortion is wrong for religious purposes, and I am one of those, but I also have scientificul purposes as well.


Just wanted to be clear on that.

[MOB Karen]

They are not the same when I looked them up.

Pro-choice is a term used to describe the political and ethical view which maintains that a woman should have total control over her fertility and pregnancy.

Pro-abortion is the belief in the right to choose to terminate a fetus (fertilized embryo).

[AllyM1]

I'm not going to argue over the definition.

My two links are from Miriam-Webster's online dictionary.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=proabortion

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/pro-choice

Just incase anyone feels that I made this up. You can clearly see that MW defines them both the same.

[rainbowtreat]

If you read the 2 Karen posted they are saying the same things pretty much just in a different text. That is how I read into them any ways.

[AllyM1]

I don't use pro-abortion to be offensive, I just feel the two are the same. If you support a woman's choice to have an abortion then you are supporting abortion.

I dont' want to offend anyone or argue, I just want to make sure I defend my point of view.

[MOB Karen]

If you read the 2 Karen posted they are saying the same things pretty much just in a different text. That is how I read into them any ways.

They don't say the same thing to me. To me, it says that pro-choice is a women's right to choose what to do with her body and her fertility. Her choice does not have to be abortion, it can be adoption, or to have the baby. But pro-abortion means having the right to terminate fetuses.

[MOB Karen]

I don't use pro-abortion to be offensive, I just feel the two are the same. If you support a woman's choice to have an abortion then you are supporting abortion.

I dont' want to offend anyone or argue, I just want to make sure I defend my point of view.

I am supporting a women's right to choose. Period. Not necessarily choosing an abortion. I personally wouldn't choose abortion, but I defend other women's right to choose it.

[rainbowtreat]

When I hear the words pro-choice it is always when the talk of abortion comes up. So to me pro-choice means if she chooses abortion it is up to her. I never here pro-choice other wise. And pro-abortion means you have the right to do it. Same as pro-choice, you have the right to do it or not do it. Means the same to me. BUT JMO! Not stepping on toes here. This is how I proceve it.

[WebLady]

I am supporting a women's right to choose. Period
I agree! Whether you are for or against abortion, I still think it should be a choice and neither for or against should be forced on you.

[CarlosHoney]

When I hear "Pro-Abortion", I think about someone who advocates that women choose that over other options. Like, discouraging a girl from giving up a child for adoption because it will be hard to sign your baby away.

I think someone who is pro-Choice as someone who thinks that she should have more than one option. I'm pro-choice, but defintiley not pro-abortion.

Just sharing that. I consider myself pro-best situation for the mother, and if the child would be coming into an abusive home, or drug addicted family, or the child is a product of rape or incest, I think that it should be an option for those women.

I also think that the IUD should be more inexpensive and offered more widely to women. It's 5 years worth of reversable birth control that is 99.9% effective. That way, no matter what happens, you're protected.

[PurpleFlower]

I agree! Whether you are for or against abortion, I still think it should be a choice and neither for or against should be forced on you.

This is exactly what I have been trying to say!! Thank you for saying this!!

[Valmai]

I also think that the IUD should be more inexpensive and offered more widely to women. It's 5 years worth of reversable birth control that is 99.9% effective. That way, no matter what happens, you're protected.

Can i ask a question and excuse my ignorance but do you have to pay for all forms of BC in the US?

[Kacie_bride]

Can i ask a question and excuse my ignorance but do you have to pay for all forms of BC in the US?

Most of the time you have to pay for forms of birth control yourself. Some people's insurance companies cover some or part of their birth control pills. Others like mine cover nothing. You can also go to some clinics like Planned Parenthood and depending on your income get free or low cost birth control. Each county in Texas that I know of has a county health office where you can also go for low cost or free birth control. I think that may also depend on your income, but I am not sure. For the most part you have to pay for it which I don't mind.

[CarlosHoney]

Can i ask a question and excuse my ignorance but do you have to pay for all forms of BC in the US?Yes. In most cases, as Kacie said.

I think that the IUD should be paid for by more insurance companies, and I think it should be cheaper. It's like, close to $1000 for one. That's insaine!! :bbeek:

[AllyM1]

I myself would rather pay for bc out of pocket before I walked into a PP to get it free.

[mlm063007]

I am supporting a women's right to choose. Period. Not necessarily choosing an abortion. I personally wouldn't choose abortion, but I defend other women's right to choose it.

This is exactly how I feel. While I feel that I would not be able to choose abortion, I think that it is our right to choose what we do with our own bodies.

[CarlosHoney]

I myself would rather pay for bc out of pocket before I walked into a PP to get it free.Why? Planned Parenthood is there to help people without insurance to get birth control.

[Valmai]

All forms are free to all women in our country - funny how u dont even think about some things innit! x

[LaceyinPgh]

All forms are free to all women in our country - funny how u dont even think about some things innit! x
I have really good health insurance, and I still have to pay $52 a month to get my prescription filled. Because a generic or off name brand isn't offered for my particular formula they won't pay a drop for it. I know that a certain percentage of the contraceptive shot and those implants are covered but I think 10% still has to be covered out of pocket. I don't know what the cost is for sterilization procedures to the individual. It isn't somethng that we looked into.

[WebLady]

Why? Planned Parenthood is there to help people without insurance to get birth control.
I would guess (forgive me if I'm wrong) that she feels that way because there is sort of a stigma related to abortion often associated with Planned Parenthood. I don't agree though, from the ppl I know that have been there, they were nice and non judgmental and gave you all the options. Now if you can get BC for free there then I am all for that!

[AllyM1]

Why? Planned Parenthood is there to help people without insurance to get birth control.

The reason why I would never go into a Planned Parenthood is because the promote the very thing that I am against. I can't support a place that does that. That's just my opinion though.

EDIT:Brandi was right... I mean I don't know if all PP's are the same but I went to their site a while back and that's what I got from them.

[WebLady]

The reason why I would never go into a Planned Parenthood is because the promote the very thing that I am against. I can't support a place that does that. That's just my opinion though.

EDIT:Brandi was right... I mean I don't know if all PP's are the same but I went to their site a while back and that's what I got from them.
It seems to me that PP is about choice, yes abortion is one of those choices and since it is a controversial and often shunned choice it gets talked about alot. But I don't that is what the organization is about. But what do I know :bbconfused:

From the PP website:

Mission Statement

A Reason for Being
Planned Parenthood believes in the fundamental right of each individual, throughout the world, to manage his or her fertility, regardless of the individual's income, marital status, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, age, national origin, or residence. We believe that respect and value for diversity in all aspects of our organization are essential to our well-being. We believe that reproductive self-determination must be voluntary and preserve the individual's right to privacy. We further believe that such self-determination will contribute to an enhancement of the quality of life, strong family relationships, and population stability.

Based on these beliefs, and reflecting the diverse communities within which we operate, the mission of Planned Parenthood is:


to provide comprehensive reproductive and complementary health care services in settings which preserve and protect the essential privacy and rights of each individual;

to advocate public policies which guarantee these rights and ensure access to such services;

to provide educational programs which enhance understanding of individual and societal implications of human sexuality;

to promote research and the advancement of technology in reproductive health care and encourage understanding of their inherent bioethical, behavioral, and social implications.

Here is a link to the Planned Parenthood Website (http://www.plannedparenthood.org/) if anyone wants to check it out.

[AllyM1]

Thank you Brandi for posting that information, it's very helpful. =)

BTW-You seem to know a lot! =)

[WebLady]

Thank you Brandi for posting that information, it's very helpful. =)
You're welcome, always glad to help :bbmrgreen:

BTW-You seem to know a lot! =) Thanks? :bbconfused: :bblol: I guess I know a little about alot of things ;)

[Kacie_bride]

I myself would rather pay for bc out of pocket before I walked into a PP to get it free.

It all depends on your income. I have been there because my insurance does not cover any birth control. I was paying something like $50 a month with my insurance not covering it. I still don't get it for free, but I can get the same prescription for $30 a month.

I probably will not be going back when my annual exam time comes around because I still had to pay like $175 or something like that for my exam, but if I go to my regular doctor and use my insurance I will only have to pay $10 for that.

My experience with Planned Parenthood was a good one. It was just like a regular gynocologist office. They don't even preform abortions at most of them in the state of Texas.

[CarlosHoney]

Yeah, there's only one here in San Antonio that actually does perform them. All of the others don't, and they are all over town.

[BriansBride07]

I am very much against abortion... Maybe im diff. in the sense that when I was 19 yrs old I got pregnant for my son and the doc that I went and seen actually spent over an hour trying to get me to abort my unborn child b/c of my age. I had no job and my FH was only working a small part time job at the time and we both still lived with our parents. Yes it was a unplanned pregnacy but that is what happens when birthcontrol fails you. We decided to go on with the pregnancy and I am happy to say my son is going on 13 this year and I also have a daughter. Everything worked out for the best. It made up grow up extremly fast but I wouldn't change it for the world.
The only way I feel that a women should even consider abortion is if she is raped, and can't emotionally get through the trauma of being raped if she was to conceive the baby.