Terror Plot

[blueeyedbride]

Have you guys heard whats been going onn over in England? When was Liz suppose to be back from the UK, I wonder if this will effect her in anyway?

[hummingbird521]

I haven't heard what is going on. Fill me in please.

[mlm063007]

The British government unearthed a plot to bring liquid explosives onto 10 different flights. All from the UK to the US. They were planning on disguising it as normal things, drink bottles, toothpaste, hair gel, ect. They have arrested 21 people. The US is now banning all liquid items from carry on's, except for baby formula and medicines. And these have to be out and ready to be searched.

[hummingbird521]

Thanks. I didn't turn the tv on this morning. so now I am reading up on it. How horrible.

[Kacie_bride]

I haven't heard that. When did this all happen?

[cowboysbride]

The British government unearthed a plot to bring liquid explosives onto 10 different flights. All from the UK to the US. They were planning on disguising it as normal things, drink bottles, toothpaste, hair gel, ect. They have arrested 21 people. The US is now banning all liquid items from carry on's, except for baby formula and medicines. And these have to be out and ready to be searched.

OH MY! Where have I been? I hope Elizabeth and her hubby aren't suffering any ill effects from this!

[hummingbird521]

OH MY! Where have I been? I hope Elizabeth and her hubby aren't suffering any ill effects from this!

you my dear have been busy being a newlywed. :D

[Kacie_bride]

I haven't watched the news in a couple of days so that is why I have been in the dark. I also don't read the newspaper unless until school starts because we get the paper for free while I'm in school.

[LaceyinPgh]

I hope Lizabeth is patient. There is nothing more grueling than security lines at the airport. Now you can't even take carry on luggage. God that is going to suck!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/10/us.security/index.html

[Kacie_bride]

I hope Lizabeth is patient. There is nothing more grueling than security lines at the airport. Now you can't even take carry on luggage. God that is going to suck!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/10/us.security/index.html

No carry ons at all? That sucks, especially on a 5 hour flight that does not give you anything to eat. Well I guess you can always stuff crackers in your purse.

[LaceyinPgh]

No carry ons at all? That sucks, especially on a 5 hour flight that does not give you anything to eat. Well I guess you can always stuff crackers in your purse.
Long flights give you the option of purchasing a meal that they have on board.

[countrygirl]

Long flights give you the option of purchasing a meal that they have on board.

Didn't it used to be that meals were included???

[brewsells]

Didn't it used to be that meals were included???

That's just what I was thinking. i thought if it was so many hours, they included a meal?

[countrygirl]

That's just what I was thinking. i thought if it was so many hours, they included a meal?

Yeah, but you know, now I hear they are wanting to take the peanuts off the flights too.

[brewsells]

This whole thing just really bothers me. I am so tired of hearing about this c r a p. I know it's just how life is now, but good lord.

[cowboysbride]

This whole thing just really bothers me. I am so tired of hearing about this c r a p. I know it's just how life is now, but good lord.

I know Holly I know...but there is always going to be demented frigged up people in the world running around loose when they should be swinging from a tree or tied up in a little white jacket being spoon fed.

[Jenn060306]

I have been so out of the loop in the news lately.
I hope that Lizabeth is ok and not being affected to much by this whole thing.

My trip to London was 8hrs on British Airways. They fed us, and some snacks. I think that still do that. But i'm not sure since so much is changing. Anyways. I'm sure any flights out will make sure the passengers are given any snacks and some entertainment.

[Kacie_bride]

I was on a pretty long flight from Atlanta to Puerto Rico and they gave us a drink and that's it. It was a fairly long trip and they didn't sale anything except liquor.

I think it really sucks. Eventually you'll not be able to take anything with you onto a plane. I think the precautions have to be taken though. I'd rather be safe. It bothers me some that Justin has a flight in less than a week for a business trip on one of the airlines targeted. It also bothers me that my parents have friends coming in from London in 2 weeks on one of the airlines targeted.

[rainbowtreat]

I have heard about this this morning when I got to work. It is no liquids in your carry on at all. They are making mothers taste there babies formula before letting it on. No shampoo or toothpaste inyour carry ons.

I guess that the government over thre has been ahead of this and there are still a group of sutdents un accounted for. To some of my co-workers they belive this may just be a deco.

[Kacie_bride]

On the news they said they were making people throw away their make-up. No lipstick, lip gloss, or chapstick at the Intercontinental or Hobby airports in Houston.

[WebLady]

I didn't hear about this, I don't usually watch the news, this is just awful that someone would do that. This is one of the many reasons I don't like to fly :bbconfused: I think I saw Lizabeth back so I guess she is ok.

[WhiskeyGirl]

I was on a pretty long flight from Atlanta to Puerto Rico and they gave us a drink and that's it. It was a fairly long trip and they didn't sale anything except liquor.



Were you on a Delta flight??? We flew Delta to Hawaii which was 8 hours for us from start to finish and we didn't receive a meal either. I really think airlines are just getting cheaper and cheaper and trying to make money or cut corners.


I've been so busy with packing and everything and had only heard a little bit about what is going on. I hope for Lizabeth's safety. I hate that this garbage keeps happening but why?? Why does it keep happening...I think something has to change but I'm not totally sure what that is. :D

[mj512]

Yeah, but you know, now I hear they are wanting to take the peanuts off the flights too.

Yeah when I first heard that they were starting to have peanut free flights, I was like WHAT?! but now I have a friend who is deathly allergic to peanuts and she has to carry her epi-pin around with her incase she reacts, and she said she is one of the lucky one, granted if peanuts touch her, her skin turns red and hurts, but she said some people who are allergic to peanuts can't even be in the same room as them...

so I guess I understand

[Valmai]

I was wondering yesterday whether Lizabeth was due to fly back now, i hope not as most US flights yesterday were cancelled, Gwen will probably know when shes due home. All flights now refuse any carry on luggage except certain essential items and these have to be carried in a clear plastic bag issued at airports, yeah ok this can be an inconvenience on a long haul flight but id rather put up with it and be safe!
We flew American Airlines to LA and it was over 11 hours and were given a couple of meals and drinks were available constantly at the back of the aircraft! xxx

[blueeyedbride]

Yes, Liz checked in yesterday I believe she is still there though, she said there has been no change with their flights yet..

[LaceyinPgh]

Yeah when I first heard that they were starting to have peanut free flights, I was like WHAT?! but now I have a friend who is deathly allergic to peanuts and she has to carry her epi-pin around with her incase she reacts, and she said she is one of the lucky one, granted if peanuts touch her, her skin turns red and hurts, but she said some people who are allergic to peanuts can't even be in the same room as them...

so I guess I understand

You get pretzels now instead. Which, I prefer over peanuts anyway.

As for the food thing. Since most of the major US airlines filed bakrupcy or came darn close to it following September 11, they had to start cutting costs. One of the first things to go was the meal service. Now, in most cases you have to purchase your meal or bring it on the flight. Now however with the carry on stipulations, I'm not sure what they are going to be doing.

[Kacie_bride]

We have a friend who works for Continental and Justin talked to him yesterday. Poor thing lives in Corpus Christi and was in Houston teaching a training class and had hell getting back.

Here is some info from Continental's website:

On instruction from the Transportation Security Administration, Continental Airlines advises customers that no liquids or gels are permitted inside the sterile area through the screening checkpoint or be in accessible baggage or on one's person except:

Baby formula, breast milk, or juice if a baby or small child is traveling
Prescription medicine with a name that matches the passenger's ticket
Insulin and essential other non-prescription medicinesIn addition, customers may not bring liquids and gels purchased inside the sterile area onboard the aircraft. Examples of liquids and gels include beverages, shampoo, suntan lotion, creams, toothpaste, hair gel and items of a similar consistency.
These measures apply to all scheduled and charter flight operations that depart from and operate within the United States and its territories and possessions.
All passengers are advised to travel light. Accessible property should have minimal clutter to expedite the screening process.
Between August 10 and August 23, 2006, Continental will accept a third bag free of charge provided it meets the carry on bag criteria (http://www.continental.com/web/en-us/content/travel/baggage/carry-on.aspx). This includes markets with checked baggage embargos (http://www.continental.com/web/en-us/content/travel/baggage/embargo.aspx). Customers may still travel with a personal carry-on item.
All passengers should plan to arrive at the airport three hours in advance of scheduled departure time.
Continental Airlines regrets any inconveniences caused.

This is info for traveling to the UK from Continental's website

Continental Airlines advises passengers that no items of hand baggage can be carried on board any aircraft departing any UK airport. The UK Government has advised that this instruction will apply to all airlines operating from UK airports.
Passengers may only take through the airport security search point, the following items in a single (ideally transparent) plastic bag:

Travel documents essential for the journey (eg passports, tickets and visas)
Pocket sized wallets and pocked sized purses plus contents (for example money, credit cards and identity cards). Handbags are not permitted.
Prescribed medicines essential for the duration of the flight, except in liquid form unless verified as authentic.
Spectacles and sunglasses, without cases.
Contact lenses, without bottles of solution
For those traveling with an infant: baby food, milk and sanitary items essential for the flight.
Keys (but no electrical key fobs).
Every other item must be carried in customer’s checked luggage.
No electrical or battery powered items including laptops, mobile phones, ipods, remote controls etc can be carried in the cabin and must be checked as baggage.
All passengers should plan to arrive at the airport three hours in advance of scheduled departure time.
Continental Airlines regrets any inconvenience caused.
Continental Airlines will not accept for travel any customers not complying with this Government instruction.

[Kacie_bride]

Shawna: I'm not sure what airline it was. That was pre 911. I was only 16 at the time. I do know I flew Delta from Houston to Atlanta, which is a fairly short flight, a couple of years ago and they did give us our peanuts.

[WhiskeyGirl]

Shawna: I'm not sure what airline it was. That was pre 911. I was only 16 at the time. I do know I flew Delta from Houston to Atlanta, which is a fairly short flight, a couple of years ago and they did give us our peanuts.

Lol...ohhh peanuts eh?? lol Yeah that's about what we got on our 8 hour flight too!! Lol. Every time they passed out snacks or drinks we asked for extras...lol. You do what you gotta do!! :D

[JennF]

I'm feeling awfully petty at the moment. But all I can think is that a 9 hour flight without even a book is going to be torture. I am not looking forward to that at all.

[LaceyinPgh]

I'm feeling awfully petty at the moment. But all I can think is that a 9 hour flight without even a book is going to be torture. I am not looking forward to that at all.
My thoughts exactly. But you still have a little time so maybe something will get lifted before then.

Although, Sean's business partner flew into Philly the other day when all of this was going on. They didn't confiscate anything from his bag including his toiletries.

[mariaandmanish]

No carry ons at all? That sucks, especially on a 5 hour flight that does not give you anything to eat. Well I guess you can always stuff crackers in your purse.


We just flew back from Mexico on Sat. You can have carry ons, you're just not allowed to have any liquids at all in your carry ons. That includes makeup, any and all toiletries, water, juice... or anything like that. Prescription and non prescription meds are allowed, as are baby products. Other than those, toiletries and liquids will be confiscated. I saw a guy in Dallas whose deoderant got confiscated and thrown in the garbage. So, basically, leave toiletries in the check in luggage and you're fine. They were pretty nice about it too, and were careful at all the airports to make sure you knew it before you got to check in so that if you had something in your carryon that wasn't allowed, you could move it to the check in bags.

[MOB Karen]

Just out of curiosity, what if those toiletries had explosives in them, and they were in the cargo hold. Isn't the plane still going to blow up? How do they guard against that?

[LaceyinPgh]

Just out of curiosity, what if those toiletries had explosives in them, and they were in the cargo hold. Isn't the plane still going to blow up? How do they guard against that?
It isn't that the toiletries contain explosives. But, liquids that can be used to construct an explosive device can be disguised as everyday cosmetic items. Also, battery powered items (laptops, ipods, ect.) all have battery cells in them that can be used for the charge in explosive devices.



Talking to Sean's company's travel agent last night, the only places that are banning everything are flights coming in and out of Heathrow and major US cities with departures from the UK.

Welcome to the new age of terrorism!

[MOB Karen]

It isn't that the toiletries contain explosives. But, liquids that can be used to construct an explosive device can be disguised as everyday cosmetic items. Also, battery powered items (laptops, ipods, ect.) all have battery cells in them that can be used for the charge in explosive devices.



Talking to Sean's company's travel agent last night, the only places that are banning everything are flights coming in and out of Heathrow and major US cities with departures from the UK.

Welcome to the new age of terrorism!

Yes, but how do they keep the stuff that gets in the cargo hold from exploding? It just doesn't make sense to me that you can't carry it to your seat, but you can still carry it in your luggage. Isn't your luggage still on the flight with you? I'm confused how that is going to help anything. :bbconfused:

[LaceyinPgh]

Yes, but how do they keep the stuff that gets in the cargo hold from exploding? It just doesn't make sense to me that you can't carry it to your seat, but you can still carry it in your luggage. Isn't your luggage still on the flight with you? I'm confused how that is going to help anything. :bbconfused:
You have to actually assemble the explosive device. You can have all the parts to the car sittin gin the garage, but that doesn't mean you can go anywhere. You actually have to put them togehter as a car, then fuel and start it.

[JennF]

Talking to Sean's company's travel agent last night, the only places that are banning everything are flights coming in and out of Heathrow and major US cities with departures from the UK.

So if we fly in an out of Stanstead instead maybe we'll be ok. The other thing we're looking at is flying directly out of Copenhagen on our way home. I'm not too keen on that since that means we won't be able to pick out our preview album on the way home...but it's a trade off I guess. We're going to be purchasing the tickets this week, so I guess we'll need to make a decision soon.

[LaceyinPgh]

So if we fly in an out of Stanstead instead maybe we'll be ok. The other thing we're looking at is flying directly out of Copenhagen on our way home. I'm not too keen on that since that means we won't be able to pick out our preview album on the way home...but it's a trade off I guess. We're going to be purchasing the tickets this week, so I guess we'll need to make a decision soon.
Call and talk to the airlines. That is my best advice. These things change day by day.

[Kacie_bride]

Yes, but how do they keep the stuff that gets in the cargo hold from exploding? It just doesn't make sense to me that you can't carry it to your seat, but you can still carry it in your luggage. Isn't your luggage still on the flight with you? I'm confused how that is going to help anything. :bbconfused:

The terrorist were going to cause it to ignite using a disposable camera. If the camera's flash does not go off it will not ignite.

[SerendipityCrafts]

Yes, but how do they keep the stuff that gets in the cargo hold from exploding? It just doesn't make sense to me that you can't carry it to your seat, but you can still carry it in your luggage. Isn't your luggage still on the flight with you? I'm confused how that is going to help anything. :bbconfused:

Not only do the pieces have to be assembled but most airlines have explosion proof holds now. The danger is in the cabin. Because the cabin is pressurized, an explosion can cause massive destruction. In the hold, it's not pressurized and the effects would be less. Or so I have heard.

[Kacie_bride]

Not only do the pieces have to be assembled but most airlines have explosion proof holds now. The danger is in the cabin. Because the cabin is pressurized, an explosion can cause massive destruction. In the hold, it's not pressurized and the effects would be less. Or so I have heard.

That's pretty interesting. I have never heard that. Good to know.

[MOB Karen]

That's pretty interesting. I have never heard that. Good to know.

Thanks for the info, Kacie & Elizabeth!! That's reassuring.

[Kacie_bride]

I just wanted to add that Justin went on a business trip today to Omaha on Continental and he said he got through security pretty quick. There were not any big hold ups.

[racecargirl]

I was watching the news last night and they are going to let some stuff through. Solid lipsticks, chapstix, etc. But anythink liquid will have to be checked. A lot of people I work with travel for business. They don't really like having to check their baggage, but they said getting off the plane is faster because very few bags are carry on now.

[LizabethDavis]

Hey girls I am home now. Believe it or not, the waiting wasn't all that bad...I mean we had our connection wait in Newark to Bangor, but we expected that. We came back yesterday and by then, things had been scaled down and loosened, but it was still tight. I would have been able to take a carry on, but by the time I found out we were allowed them, I had all ready packed like everything was just going to be under the plane, so I didn't bother. Yes though, we made it home safe and sound.

[MOB Karen]

Welcome back, Lizabeth!! :D

[Kacie_bride]

Welcome back! We are glad you made it back safe and sound!

[Valmai]

Glad it all went pretty hassle free Lizabeth - hope u had a good time.

As far as the explosives go then they have a couple of people carry on different parts and then they usually plan to construct it in the toilet. The liquid is the explosive but they then have to detonate it, this is normally done with a detonator made out of something like an mp3 player or mobile fone which is attached to the side of the bottle. The explosion doesnt blow up the plane it is just enough of one to make a hole in the side which then causes pressure to decrease and the plane to become unstable and crash. Apparently the problem is that these can be made out of ordinary household products!!
What a morbid subject hey? xxx

[MOB Karen]

Thanks, Valmai!! :) I was wondering how they did it! It just wasn't making sense to me to be able to put your luggage in the cargo hold. :bbconfused: Now I get it!!

[SoontobeMrsClark07]

I just thought I'd let everyone know that I was just watching TV and there was a flight from London headed for DC (Dulles International) that had an emergency landing in Boston. The breaking news report said it was for security reasons. The report on CNN has more info.

Heres the article:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/TRAVEL/08/16/flight.diverted.ap/index.html

[Kacie_bride]

Well that makes me feel wonderful. Justin is traveling this afternoon.

[SoontobeMrsClark07]

Well that makes me feel wonderful. Justin is traveling this afternoon.

He'll be fine... dont worry about it too much.

[Kacie_bride]

He'll be fine... dont worry about it too much.

I know. It still just worries you a little when you hear something like this after last week.

[SoontobeMrsClark07]

Yeah I know... we were planning on going to Miami this winter but I would almost rather drive than fly... of course I am really afraid of flying and I've only flown twice... the first time was 3 months after Sept. 11th. It was not a happy flight for me.

They did an update on it now saying that all the stuff they said she had, she doesnt have and she was just closterphobic... read the story now, its changed and might put your mind to rest a little.

[Kacie_bride]

Yeah I read it and I am watching it on the Fox News channel.

[JennF]

So did anyone hear the port terminal that was evacuated in Seattle? All this was going down just a little bit North of us. (essentially across a very wide street…if you don’t count the massive parking lot) I work in an office building on port property. Not scary, but we were following it pretty closely since this one seemed like a pretty reasonable threat.

In case no one's heard about it, a port terminal in Seattle was evacuated after a cargo container failed a density scan and the bomb dogs alerted. It turned out to be nothing apparently.

(edited to rid of the smiley that made me look like I was disappointed that nothing happened! Also to add a link to the store so that the world doesn't think I'm delusional. ;) )

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/16/national/main1901878.shtml

[Kacie_bride]

No, I didn't hear about that.