Sarah's journey to pregnancy

[flyerso6]

So I thought I would start a journal. DH an I have been married for a little over a year. I am 24, will be 25 in August, and DH is 26.

I was on birth control for about 5 years and stopped last September. We weren't really trying but not preventing either. I got pregnant in November but unfortunately had a missed miscarriage in Jan at 7 weeks. I had to have a D&C. We were very sad, but it wasn't unexpected as I had been having spotting the entire time, that is actually how I found out. I had spotting for almost 3 weeks before I even took a hpt. I thought af was trying to start and was having issues since I had just stopped birth control. After a couple months I started feeling ok again. I wasn't as sad and was begining to have more good days than bad. Now as I am getting very close to what my due date would have been (Aug 18) I am finding myself sad occasionaly especially when I see pregnant women. I keep thinking to myself that should be me. I should be that big now.

I was told to wait until my first period before trying again... well it never came. After 11 weeks with no af, Dr. gave me provera. Af came but 8 weeks later still no ovulation. Dr. gave me provera again and 50mg Clomid to help me ovulate. The first cycle I ovulated but no bfp. I am currently on my second cycle of 50mg of clomid and I don't think it is going to work. I have been useing opk, which had a second line on cd 14, 15 but not dark enough to be postive. cd 16 there was barely a second line at all, and cd 17 there was a very very faint line. All of which are negative. The lines on cd 14 and 15 might have been from the clomid. So I don't think I am going to ovulate and then what?

I am begining to think this is going to be a very hard long journey for us. It is starting to get very depressing. We are fastly approaching the one year mark of ttc. I hope clomid ends up working for us because I think clomid with trigger and IUI would be the next step and my insurance doesn't cover any infertility items.

[Danielle9608]

Sarah I am glad you started a journal! It helps me to keep track of things and just vent when I am having bad days. I really feel for you, as I kind of know what you are going through. ((HUG)) I am praying for a BFP for you soon!

[FFC]

I'm sorry you're having a hard time getting pregnant. I hope you get a BFP soon!

[flyerso6]

aww Danielle Hugs to you too. Yeah I really needed to vent today. This is so frustrating. I guess we are kinda going through the same thing. I have just been thinking more about the whole m/c thing a lot more lately. A lot of people told us we should wait 3 months, even though Dr. said one. At the time we were like we aren't waiting 3 months, and never imagined we wouldn't be pregnant again in 3 months. You are suposed to be more fertile after a m/c not less!! We, in our wildest dreams, never ever thought 6 months later we would be going through this.

I hope I ovulate this cycle!! I had ovary pains in my right side today, it felt like someone stabbing me. It happend 3 times about 5 to 10 min apart. I like oh jeesh I hope I did ovulate but not 3 eggs. haha. We will see tomorrow.

On a unreleted note... we are going to see Harry Poter at midnight tonight. I am so excited!!! But am going to be sooo tired at work tomorrow.

[Danielle9608]

Have fun tonight! And have fun Baby dancing ;)

[NOTKT]

good luck! we are here to help if you need!

[SkippyNXC]

good luck! we are here to help if you need!

what i picture when u say this is completely! inappropriate but made me giggle nonetheless:innocent:

[flyerso6]

what i picture when u say this is completely! inappropriate but made me giggle nonetheless:innocent:

Haha. I as well got a inappropriate image in my head..

[Brian's Bride]

Good luck with everything, Sarah! How was the movie last night??

[FFC]

what i picture when u say this is completely! inappropriate but made me giggle nonetheless:innocent:

LOLOLOL We're the swimmer cheerleaders! "GO SWIMMERS GO!" :rofl:

[brendalin]

LOL!!! I can just picture myself laughing during the middle of baby dancing because I will be hearing all of the One Wed girls in my head yealling for the little guys to get to the goal! :rofl:

Oh boy!:whyme:

[FFC]

LOL!!! I can just picture myself laughing during the middle of baby dancing because I will be hearing all of the One Wed girls in my head yealling for the little guys to get to the goal! :rofl:

Oh boy!:whyme:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: O gosh that's so going to happen now that we've mentioned it :rofl:

[flyerso6]

Good luck with everything, Sarah! How was the movie last night??

The movie was Ok. The book was 100 times better, but isn't that the case most of the time when a movie is from a book. Had I not read the book I might have been confused as to what was going on. It was our first midnight release movie, it was crazy. So many people and so many people dressed like movie characters haha. but........DH fell asleep haha and I was very tired the next day at work.

The good news is I think I ovulated on Tuesday cd 17. My temp has been up the last 2 mornings and I had pain on Tuesday. The opk's have me doubting it though. I think next cycle (if there is a next cycle) I won't even bother with opk, they cause more confusion than help. It was just so strange because the 1st cycle I got positive 4 days in a row and this cycle I didn't get a positive at all. hmm.

So If I did really ovulate... I am going to try my best to not test till af is late... This cycle has just been so different from my 1st clomid cycle that I really don't know what is going on.

[Danielle9608]

Good luck, hope you get a BFP this month!

[Nekochanpurr]

Good luck to you!!!! :D

[flyerso6]

this cycle is just so strange, it is nothing at all like my last one, which I guess is a good thing. My temps are even weird, they just keep going up a little each day, like .03 to .04 increases. No tender breasts, no nothing. Well I keep having terrible headaches but I think that is the clomid. I am trying to not get my hopes up. I am thinking there is no way i will get bfp this cycle, I guess hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Then again when I got bfp in December I had Zero symtoms.

I am testing a week from toady if af hasn't arrived. My last LP was 12 days so the 28th will be 14 days.

[Danielle9608]

I have heard each pregnancy is different. So just because you have symptoms for one you may not for the other. The rising temps sounds promising! I can't wait till next week. :) Sending lots of baby dust your way.

[Qtpie]

***Baby Dust*** good luck, i hope you get your BFP soon.

[flyerso6]

temp still going up. Everyday but one this 2ww my temp has been higher than the day before. Im still not getting my hopes up.

I have been reading about other options. If no bfp this cycle I am going to ask my dr. about getting DH an SA, and ask about moving to femara or injectables after 3rd clomid cycle. I have been reading that in many women clomid can do more harm than good, and after a while work more as a preventative. Almost every site I read says if its going to get you a bfp it will be in the 1st 3 cycles.

The only good thing about bfn cycles though is I save up more sick and vacaton time at work. I am up to being able to take 10 - 11 weeks off when I do finnally have a baby.

[Danielle9608]

I am keeping my fingers crossed for you!

[flyerso6]

oh man i have been soo irritable the last 2 days, especially today. Everything has gotten on my nerves. Hopefully it doesn't mean af is on its way. Temp went up .12 today so we will see in a few more days.

[Danielle9608]

How many DPO are you? I'm on the edge of my seat here!!

[flyerso6]

today is 11 dpo.. I am driving myself crazy here. I don't really have any symptoms except sore boobs, which they aren't nearly as sore as they were last cycle. I had some cramping the other day but that went away. Just 3 more days. Af should show on Monday if LP is 13 days like last cycle.

My chart looks pretty good, each day except one my temp has been higher than the previous day. Today it only went up .02 but it did go up. Maybe I will put a FF ticker in my sig so you guys can see.

[flyerso6]

temp dropped this morning :-(. Not a lot but the same thing happened last cycle.

I wanted to be pregnant again before my original due date (Aug 18), which when I had m/c I thought that should be easy.. HA was I wrong, this was my last chance for that and I don't think it worked.

I am so disappointed.

[Danielle9608]

temp dropped this morning :-(. Not a lot but the same thing happened last cycle.

I wanted to be pregnant again before my original due date (Aug 18), which when I had m/c I thought that should be easy.. HA was I wrong, this was my last chance for that and I don't think it worked.

I am so disappointed.

It's not over till you get a negative HPT. I am praying for a BFP for you!

[flyerso6]

yeah I know its not over till bfn. I had cramps sort of this morning but they went away. They may have been in my head though.

I guess the good news is that I found out there is a fertility clinic right down the hall from my obgyn. so getting a referral might not be too hard. I think I will try one more cycle of clomid but I want a SA for DH and I want my obgyn to look at my lineing and I going to talk about a reffereal to RE so that we can move on to something more aggresive.

[lilmsjess]

i know that nobody wants to hear this, but sometimes, if you just let it happen it does....i wouldn't say to stop your meds, but if you just let it slip your mind, it can happen easier. the stress of trying, can still mess with your body, even though meds are trying to help the process along....

i haven't been on bc for a few years, and then BAM all of a sudden, 6 weeks after i quit my job, and fh goes into his "down time"(offshore rig job), we're pregnant! at what we then considered the ABSOLUTE worst time! why? b/c we technically couldn't afford it, i didn't have a job, we were in the middle of moving, and having a baby was THE last thing we needed/wanted.....but, it happened!

you know, even though you had a miscarriage, i find it wierd your doctor put you on clomid and such so quickly? most doctors won't even after an m/c, because they say it can take healthy couples NOT using any form of b/c up to 2 years to have a healthy pregnancy...

but either way, good luck to you! i'm not on bc now, and we don't want another child, so have ALLLLLL of MY baby dust, because i SURE do not need it!

**********>>>>>>>>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~((baby dust!)

[flyerso6]

Yeah I know. I think this cycle I was pretty relaxed until last week of 2ww.

The whole it takes up to 1 year + for healthy couples to conceive is assuming the woman is regular. It had been 5 months after I had a d&c for m/c and I still hadn't had a period on my own. It is kind of hard to even attempt to get pregnant when you aren't ovulating. What is the point in trying and getting disappointed and stressed out, and there isn't even a chance of getting pregnant, to only after a year do clomid anyways. In September it will be one year.

I tested this morning bfn....

[Danielle9608]

Yeah I know. I think this cycle I was pretty relaxed until last week of 2ww.

The whole it takes up to 1 year + for healthy couples to conceive is assuming the woman is regular. It had been 5 months after I had a d&c for m/c and I still hadn't had a period on my own. It is kind of hard to even attempt to get pregnant when you aren't ovulating. What is the point in trying and getting disappointed and stressed out, and there isn't even a chance of getting pregnant, to only after a year do clomid anyways. In September it will be one year.

I tested this morning bfn....

I am so sorry Sarah! I definitely recommend going to see an RE. Have you looked into IUI?

[flyerso6]

I'm going to call my insurance today and see what they pay. I know they won't pay for Iui but maybe they will pay for u/s for and iui. Then when Af comes I'm gonna talk to my Dr about a refferal

[Danielle9608]

Was this your third cycle on clomid? Let us know how it turns out! I hope they cover it!!

[Danielle9608]

Hey Sarah I just heard about something today and it made me think of you. Have you looked into taking baby aspirin? Apparently it can help some woman that have had miscarriages.

Baby aspirin, or low dose aspirin in a dosage of 81mg per tablet, is very beneficial to fertility. There are many other benefits to taking aspirin - such as benefiting the cardiovascular system (because of it's anticoagulative or nonclotting properties), pain reliever (analgesic) and fever reducer. People with heart problems take an aspirin daily, as a precaution to ward off potential heart attacks. If you are allergic to aspirin, have gastrointestinal problems or have problems with your blood clotting, I would suggest not taking it. In fact, anyone interested in beginning aspirin therapy should first seek the advice of their care provider.

You should consider the benefits of aspirin, especially if you have suffered from a miscarriage. But even if you haven't, taking the aspirin can still be beneficial in helping to prevent some future miscarriages. Some miscarriages are caused by a poorly lined uterus. Some are caused from the presence of antiphospholipid antibodies. These are proteins which appear to be related to coagulation problems -which can cause recurrent fetal loss. This happens when there is a disruption in the placental blood flow, due to clotting. The aspirin reduces the risk of clotting.http://www.thebabycorner.com/page/1372/

[flyerso6]

I think this week I am going to go pick up a bottle of baby asprin and give it a try... if Im not pregnant.

Af is still a no show. My temp went up a lot this morning. But I was hot in general so that is probably why it went up so high. It went from 98.48 yesterday to 98.71 today. I am starting to think it is very possible I O'ed later than I thought. like 3 days later, making me just now 11 dpo instead of 14. Or is is possible to O once and then O again a day or 2 later?? My Dr. said if things get strange I can fax him my chart and he will take a look. I might take him up on the offer. I think i will test again fri or sat if no af.

[Danielle9608]

Or is is possible to O once and then O again a day or 2 later??.

Probably very unlikely. How are you detecting O'ing? Just by temps? Maybe you and hubby should try BD'ing every other day ... exhausting I know (I've tried it) but at least you cover all your bases.

[flyerso6]

I am using temps and opk. Also clomid (at least for me) makes ovulating kinda painful. My temps and opk don't match. Last cycle temps looks like I O cd 15, but opk was pos like 16 - 18. I had O pain cd 17. Now this cycle I had O pain and temps went up indicating ovulation on cd 17. But opk was still neg. Opk was pos cd 20 and that was my last one so I don't know when it turned neg. So who knows... Im on cd 30. Last cycle was only 29 days. I could be anywhere from 11 dpo to 14 dpo.

this is so frustrating.

[flyerso6]

well i supose af showed up today. My temps dropped back under 98. af is a bit strange but oh well. I called the dr today for a refill and asked about changing days. I take clomid days 5-9 now, I asked about days 3-7. The nurse said she needed my temp charts and to fax them. We have a printer that can fax but have never used the fax feature.... so here I am like 45 min later still trying to fax this haha. The paper got stuck like 3 times and I had to re-do it. I think it finally worked but I hope they actually got it. I should have just drove there, it would have been so much easier.

[FFC]

Well that stinks. I hope you can be successful with your next cycle! Thinking positive baby thoughts!

[flyerso6]

honestly some days I just want to give up.

[Danielle9608]

Did you talk to them about the baby aspirin? Good luck with this cycle. Sending lots of baby dust your way!!

[flyerso6]

no, i tried calling and actually talking to someone but I was on hold and eventually it just went to voice mail. We did talk about changing my days, I think I might change days even if they say not too. I want to ovulate before cd 20. They needed my chart before they would call in the prescription and I don't know if they got it or not. i hope they do it tomorrow because cd 3 would be Saturday, and I defeneitly need it on Monday (cd 5). I asked about getting DH a SA, and I might ask about my liening if I talk to someone tomorrow. My period is extrememly light, but i know it is my actual period because i have terrible cramps. We will see what they say tomorrow.

[Qtpie]

I am sorry to hear that the witch came to visit.

[flyerso6]

On a side note I am looking at going to grad school. If I can get the GRE waived I will go back as soon as I can, which seeing that school starts in like 3 weeks it probably wouldn't be until Jan. We are still going to ttc and continue with meds and maybe in a few months somethine more serious. But it might get me to stop stressing about ttc so much..

[FFC]

School would be a great way to help you not stress about TTCing! Good luck with that!

[SkippyNXC]

if u go back to school would u try to ttc around the school year? just curious :) i know u can have a baby n not lose much if any time off school no matter what tho... someone in my programs havin a baby in September n is not planning on a taking a leave...

[flyerso6]

well if we got pregnant between now and November the baby would be born when I was out of school, and Any later than that I may or may not take of the semester of my due date, depends on how things are going. This is something I need to do for myself and work and don't want to put it or ttc on hold... going back to school may even help with ttc because i'll have something else to think about.

[Danielle9608]

Congrats on going back to school!

[flyerso6]

yeah i am excited, it gives me something to think about other than ttc. DH goes for his SA tomorrow.. he isn't very excited haha.

but on a bad note, last night DH asked if I wanted to take a break from ttc... ahhh. I told him no and asked why, did he want to. and he said no but something had to make him think of taking a break.

[Danielle9608]

DH goes for his SA tomorrow.. he isn't very excited haha.


lol, Jon isn't looking forward to it either.

[flyerso6]

well I believe I just took my last clomid pill.. hopefully last one ever. If this cycle doesn't work which on cd 7 I have already counted it as a bfn cycle, we will hopefully be going to RE and doing something more serious. DH isn't ready for IUI yet and I don't think I am either, but I am hoping we can try injectables and timed bding. Hopefully we get SA results tomorrow.

[Danielle9608]

well I believe I just took my last clomid pill.. hopefully last one ever. If this cycle doesn't work which on cd 7 I have already counted it as a bfn cycle, we will hopefully be going to RE and doing something more serious. DH isn't ready for IUI yet and I don't think I am either, but I am hoping we can try injectables and timed bding. Hopefully we get SA results tomorrow.

I am really praying for you like I have never before!! Now I am throwing baby dust at you!!

[FFC]

Thinking positive thoughts for you. Good luck!!!

[flyerso6]

thanks everyone. I dislike clomid side effects. I don't think I have been moodly this cycle yet, but wow the hot flashes are almost unbareable. I take it at night so I wake up so sweaty every morning.. gross!! AND I am still only taking 50mg.

Just as a warning for anyone who plans on taking it, it builds up in your system month to month so the side effects get progressivly worse.

[flyerso6]

DH's SA came back good, no problems. He was excited, it was like an ego boost. I am about to go buy some opk's because my temps are very crazy. They are jumping all around, I doubt that it a good thing..

[Danielle9608]

Glad Hubby's boys and A OK :) Hope everything is okay with you!

[FFC]

Awwww I'm glad he's okay. I can imagine the ego boost that that gives him :) Good luck with the OPK's!

[Brian's Bride]

That's a great ego boost for your DH! :) Mine came back with clumpy sperm, but we managed to get PG anyways. I can tell you he seemed pretty defeated when we found that out.

I couldn't take my third cycle of clomid because I was crazy-emotional, even at work. It was super-embarrassing! But it's a good thing I didn't because I was already PG. Good luck with the OPKs!!! I've decided if we're going to have another baby I'm not messing around with charting temps and will just pee on sticks!

[flyerso6]

Yeah I don't think I can take a 4th round of clomid. It gets worse each month. Not so much the emotional part, but the hot flashes are unbearable!! You would think I was going through menopause or something. We will see how this cycle goes. I am contemplating take next cycle off but my biggest fear is that i won't ovulate on my own and will have to take provera for a third time.

if it doesn't work this time I would really like to take a month off (see what happens) and then move to injectables. but i would need a reffereal for that.

[Danielle9608]

I would ask for a referral. My ob/gyn doesn't prescribe clomid so I got a referral right away but you have been trying for over a year so I don't think you should have a problem.

[flyerso6]

well I think I ovulated today. Clomid = painful ovulation. opk was pretty nagative, I need to stop wasting money on them, they don't work too well for me. I get lots of false positives the first couple days I take them due to the clomid, then nothing when I really ovulate.

On a positive note, I got accepted to Grad School and I start in 2 weeks. I am pretty excited. I wont say the whole baby thing has taken a back seat to going back to school, but I haven't been thinking about ttc much which I am hopeing is a good thing.

[FFC]

Congrats on getting back into school!!!!! That's awsome! Also, hope your O was successful!

[flyerso6]

Now I don't know if i Oed or not. I didn't tell DH cuz he will prolly be mad I made him bd last night when he didn't want too because I thought I was oing. Temp went up a little this morning but not much. this is t.m.i. but cervix is just right for oing, but opk was neg. No more opk for me.

I have a bit of frustration at the momment, I don't think I can handle anymore timed intercourse. It is way too stressfull and I think it is starting to stress DH as well. Last night we had a talk and he thinks I bd just to get pregnant, which yes sometimes I do. The other morning I woke up and was like ugh I don't want to bd today but it is one of our "scheduled days". I am starting to open up to the idea of IUI, just to lessen the stress of timed intercourse. I am sure the planned bding isn't helping us any, because neither of us want to do it. Hopefully we get bfp this month and that will be the end of that..

[Danielle9608]

Aww Sarah I know exactly what you mean! Trying to get pregnant can really hurt a couples sex life because it feels like a chore and not fun. Jon would probably kill me for sharing this, but he had a few occasions where he couldn't errr ... perform. It totally stresses him out to do it on a schedule. Are you going to talk to the RE about an IUI?

[flyerso6]

DH has never not been able to perform, but sometimes aren't that great if you know what i mean. I know exactly what you mean about a chore. It wasn't so bad the 1st 2 months, but this month bding every other day has been really stressfull. Like we need to today and I am already dreading it and its only 8am. The stress can't be good.

We are going to see what happens this month and go from there, I am def going to ask for a refferal this time and I am guessing I will have to take a month off since I have been on clomid and heck I might even o on my own now. If this month is bfn I am seriously considering IUI just to relieve the stress of bding.

My temps went up today, which the last 2 months Ive actually O'ed 2 days after my first temp jump (strange), so I am excited that we only have to bd 1 maybe 2 more times!!!!

[flyerso6]

well I tested today at 14dpo. my last LP have been 13 days so I was a little hopeful. but it was..... BFN! My temp went down a little this morning but not much, it was about in the middle of all my other post O temps. I'm really starting to think its just not meant to be. We are both healthy. DH SA is normal. We are normal weights, eat healthy, exercise. I don't have any signs of pcos or anything. Its just so frustrating.

[FFC]

Awww I'm sorry to hear about the BFN. Thinking positive thoughts for you! Don't get discouraged!

[flyerso6]

Well I got a referral to an RE today!!! But.. I called and can't get in until the 23rd, which I suppose isn't too bad considering I am on cd 3 now, so they couldn't do anything anyways. I am on a waiting list in case something opens up before that. And I can enjoy a clomid free month, No hot flashes makes me happy.

[Danielle9608]

YAY for the RE appointment! I hope they can help you get pregnant ASAP.

[flyerso6]

well i have good news and bad news. The bad news is im on cd 16 and spotting :-(, not anything heavy just a few brown spots. I feel like I am on my period, I am having cramp and such, but I also been having some stomach issues. Not sure if I caught something or what. All weekend I had bad stomach cramps among other things. So maybe it is still just that but it feels lower today like af cramps. acording to fertiltiy friend I O'ed on cd 13 YEAH RIGHT. I doubt it. On clomid my post O temps were in the 98 and these temps are in the 97.70 range. So I think its just a fluke.

The good news is the fertiltiy clinic called and my appointment got moved from the 23 to tomorrow!! YAY

[gwenshack]

Good luck with your appointment tomorrow! :hug:

I hope your stomach feels better.

[NOTKT]

Good luck with your appointment tomorrow! :hug:

I hope your stomach feels better.

I also agree!

[Danielle9608]

Good luck with the RE! :penguin:

[flyerso6]

Well i just got back. Since I am on cd 17 there isn't much I can do now but... RE thinks I might have an insulin problem, which makes sencse. I have a family history of diabetes on both sides of my family and I often have issues if I don't eat for a while or don't eat enough. I tend to feel really weak and hot. He doesn't think metformin will help though because I am thin. He also told me don't run more than I am currently (approx 6 miles a week) which is fine with me.

When I do start af I have to get lots of bloodwork, and an HSG. I am also getting a test that checks my ovary age since I don't ovulate on my own. If that comes back bad we will be more aggressive.

If it is what he thinks we are going to do monitored clomid and trigger shot with IUI. He doesn't recommend doing injectables because someone of my size would more than likely have way too many follies. He said they usually only try things 3 times so if IUI fails 3 times he would recommend moving to IVF. My Insurance doesn't pay for either. If my insurance will pay for everything but the IUI procedure. I would be paying $5 for clomid, probably $30 for hcg trigger, and $385 for sperm wash and IUI. If my insurance won't pay for the u/s then it will be around $800. IVF is around $8,000. Which I guess is good because I was thinking IVF was more like $15,000. Hopefully we don't have to go there.

I am suposed to continue taking my regular daily vitamins. (didn't particullary want to take pre-natels because of nausea) but I need to suppliment with 800mg of folic acid and baby asprin.

Unfortunalty I am on cd 17 and am spotting and doubt I O'ed and all of these things require cd 1. He gave me a prescription for provera but said to wait till around cd 30 to take it to give my body a chance to do it on its own. Im assuming that won't be the clomid IUI cycle though since we have to wait for test results to come back and then the following cycle to clomid and IUI. But at least we have a plan. DH was like so there aren't any more options of doing it the old fashioned way?? RE said no haha.

[Danielle9608]

YAY for having a plan!!

[Heywie]

It's great you have a plan, but that stinks about your insurance coverage!

Hopefully the clomid will work and you will be able to do it the old fashioned way anyway! Good luck!

[flyerso6]

ahh to make the insurance thing worse, they don't cover the u/s. SO thats and extra $300 a cycle. Too bad I couldn't just not pay my premiums for a month or 2.. jerks

[Danielle9608]

I am so that really stinks

[flyerso6]

open season is coming up though. I should probably look at my options.

[flyerso6]

Well i checked out other plans last night and they all suck. Some cover IUI but they have high deductibles and the premiums are higher. And your out of pocket expense is still 10% of the cost. So I think im going to keep what I have. It doesn't help that all the insurance stuff is so confusing. I wonder if they do that on purpose. Oh and the ones who pay for IUI have a 3 time lifetime max.

SO I think a better option is.. we have flexible spending plans. During open season you open an account and say how much you want to put in for the year, they spread it out over the pay periods and it is not taxed. When you need it you just pay for the procedure ( what ever your insurance doesn't pay ), file a claim and then you are reimbursed. The good news is you can use it before actually paying the total amount. Bad news is whatever you don't use in a year you loose. So we will pay for the first IUI, and open an account with enough money for 2 more IUI. if i get prego the first time great, I am sure we will still use the money on co-payments, prescriptions, and the dentist.

Also when I woke up this morning I was like you know what I am sick of temping and it has gotten me no where, I think I am going to stop!!! YAY

[Danielle9608]

I don't have flexible spending at my job (where we have our insurance) but Jon's company does. I definitely think it's worth it if you are going to use it, which I'm sure you will. We have to wait till December to enroll. But now Jon is job hunting, so I don't know how that will work.

[ikkin510]

My Dh has the flexible spending and we LOVE it. It's kinda like free money to us since you don't miss it since they take it out of the paycheck right away. And it can be used for so much, between dentist, co-pays, persecriptions, eye doctor, even things like accupunture and massages (as long as they are for a medical reason.)

[flyerso6]

well...... af showed on her own!!! On cd 28 I am very impressed. Something was still wrong though, I have been spotting brown stuff every since I ovulated. I went and got my provera prescription filled and started my period about 6 hours later. Now I can get all my tests done this week instead of waiting 10+ days.

[FFC]

That's good news!!!! Good luck with the Provera this cycle!

[Danielle9608]

Good luck with this cycle! Sorry you had to taken provera again.

[Heywie]

That's excellent news!!! I hope this is a good sign for this cycle!!

[flyerso6]

Good luck with this cycle! Sorry you had to taken provera again.

Actually I didn't have to take Provera, and I can't count.. But it was actually only a 27 day cycle. I got provera now though in case I need it to end this cycle. I went for blood work today ( 6 viles!!! I hate needles too). My hsg is on Friday providing af is mostly gone by then. If all goes well next cycle we will be doing IUI!!

[Danielle9608]

Actually I didn't have to take Provera, and I can't count.. But it was actually only a 27 day cycle. I got provera now though in case I need it to end this cycle. I went for blood work today ( 6 viles!!! I hate needles too). My hsg is on Friday providing af is mostly gone by then. If all goes well next cycle we will be doing IUI!!

Good luck with the HSG! Let me know if you have any questions since I just went through it.

[flyerso6]

HSG today at 9:15. I am so nervous. I hate getting poked and prodded, i should be used to it though after all Ive been through this year.

[Brian's Bride]

Good luck with your HSG today! I hope your tubes are open and everything is great!! :crossfingers:

[Danielle9608]

Good luck today Sarah! I'll be thinking about you!

[Heywie]

Good luck with the HSG, Sarah! You'll do great!

[flyerso6]

tubes are open!!!! and the inside of my uterus is smooth like it is supposed to be but............. my uterus is tilted back and it appears as if I have pcos, blood test results should be in any day now so we will see.

[Danielle9608]

Yay for open tubes!!

[SkippyNXC]

yay open tubes! i have a tilted uterus as well... i was told no big deal but that when BDing i would want to prop my bum up w/a pillow for like 15 minutes afterwards... but i've also been told that doesn't make a difference... do tell if they give u any info bout that ;)

good luck w/ur bloodwork!

[gwenshack]

Glad the tubes are open! :jphappy:

[flyerso6]

yay open tubes! i have a tilted uterus as well... i was told no big deal but that when BDing i would want to prop my bum up w/a pillow for like 15 minutes afterwards... but i've also been told that doesn't make a difference... do tell if they give u any info bout that ;)

good luck w/ur bloodwork!

no the Dr. said it wasn't a big deal. He said it isn't tethered back because when he put water in my uterus it went out of my tubes and filled behind my uterus propping it back up straight, so he said it is ok. He said unless something weird comes back with my blood work we are ok to go ahead with IUI next cycle!!!

On a side note, the hsg really wasn't that bad at all. Just a tiny tiny bit of cramping with the catheder went in and when he inflated the balloon. Maybe he was just very gentle?

[flyerso6]

wow I have had the worst heartburn all day.. it has to be the antibiotics that I am on from my hsg. The things we go through to have a baby.

[Goin2thechapel]

Sarah what great news about your HSG! I'm very glad that it didn't hurt that bad! I thought it was terrible, but the next day I remember saying "it wasn't that bad...LOL" I have little pain tolerance though..
Soo, are you doing Clomid and IUI?
Has DH gotten a SA yet?

I'm pulling for ya :)

[flyerso6]

Sarah what great news about your HSG! I'm very glad that it didn't hurt that bad! I thought it was terrible, but the next day I remember saying "it wasn't that bad...LOL" I have little pain tolerance though..
Soo, are you doing Clomid and IUI?
Has DH gotten a SA yet?

I'm pulling for ya :)


DH had a SA after the 2nd round of clomid ended in bfn. He is fine. Yeah the dr. who did the hsg said unless something crazy comes back with bloodwork he said there is no reason we can't do clomid and IUI next cycle. I am excited but at the same time I don't want to get my hopes up, I did with clomid alone and we see how that ended.

I am a little nervous about the trigger shot though. I have read that sometimes they give in in the stomach.. OUCH. I hate needles and get myself all worked up about it and come close to passing out when the time comes.. I almost asked about that while I was at hsg but figured it would be better if i didn't know where they gave the shot haha.

[Goin2thechapel]

DH had a SA after the 2nd round of clomid ended in bfn. He is fine. Yeah the dr. who did the hsg said unless something crazy comes back with bloodwork he said there is no reason we can't do clomid and IUI next cycle. I am excited but at the same time I don't want to get my hopes up, I did with clomid alone and we see how that ended..

This was MY WORRY TOO!!! People thought I was crazy for thinking like this, but I remember telling DH "It's a waste of money". But after getting poor results back from his SA, it was most likely going to be our only option cause thicker CM + Poor swimmers = BFN (LOL...like my math?!?! and they wonder how I skirted by in college)



I am a little nervous about the trigger shot though. I have read that sometimes they give in in the stomach.. OUCH. I hate needles and get myself all worked up about it and come close to passing out when the time comes.. I almost asked about that while I was at hsg but figured it would be better if i didn't know where they gave the shot haha.

I too have heard that it's the stomach. Is it possible to have DH trigger for you? How is he with needles?? Just focus on the reason you're doing it and hopefully that'll take all your fears away :)

Good Luck Sarah :)

[flyerso6]

I think they give the trigger shot at the RE office. It was one of the charges on the cost breakdown. so I am fine with that. I am really hoping its not in the stomach. I am not really sure how IUI will help us because DH is fine and I ovulated just fine on clomid alone, but I will go along with the RE on this one and pray it works because we cannot afford IVF!!

[Danielle9608]

Sarah, I have a question for you. Do your temps and OPK's match up saying that you ovulated? The reason why I ask is because mine don't and I recently found out I naturally have a very high amount of LH in my body. I went for blood test a few cycles ago that showed I was ovulating, but on the ultrasound it showed I didn't make any follicles so there was no egg being released. Apparently it's pretty common for people with PCOS to get false positives on OPK's. My doctor is going to be giving me ultrasounds everyday to confirm ovulation. Do you think something like this could have been happening to you?

[flyerso6]

well I tried 2 cycles with opk and kind of gave up after that. both were clomid cycles. 1st one I had 5 days of positives.. Yes 5 days of very dark pink lines. I ovulated the 1st day I got pos, knew from temps and painful ovulation. 2nd cycle I never got a positve opk (all lighter pink lines) but I did ovulate, my temps showed and af showed on her own. The 3rd cycle I didn't even try because I thought it was a waste. Last cycle I just temped which turned out to be correct, and this cycle I have been pretty lazy because I know iui is next month so why bother ya know.

[flyerso6]

well my bloodwork came back and......................... its normal! No insulin resistance, and as far as blood work goes no pcos. Now I fit more into the unexplained category. My ovaries still have a pcos appearance and my uterus is tilted back. I am happy that nothing is wrong, but then again it would have been nice to have an explaination for why we can't get pregnant grr.

Anyways we got the green light for clomid, trigger, and iui next cycle. I just got to get through this cycle..

[Danielle9608]

Well I am still praying that you get pregnant this cycle and don't have to do the IUI. You never know! Good luck and lots of baby dust to you!

[flyerso6]

Well nothing new here really. except that I may have possibly ovulated on my own again, my temps were over 98 but i did temp an hour or so later than I usually do the last few days but my temps are never over 98 unless I have o'ed almost anytime of the day. and we bd the same day I o'ed. But I'm not confident in my ovaries so we shall see if it really happened or not. I really hope I did and I get bfp so we don't have to do iui in a couple weeks.

On Friday I was trying to pick a day when I would start provera since it was cd 21 and still no ovulation, but maybe I won't need it now. Maybe I won't even need an iui.

[flyerso6]

ok now I am just mad. I got my insurance statement from my sonahystagram yesterday and I just looked at it. My insurance considered that surgery and says I have a $100 co-pay instead of $30. It was only $600 well $300 was the amount my plan allows so the RE only got $200 from my insurance and I have to pay $100. Seriosuly after all the money they get from me and my employer they couldn't pay $300!! And I wouldn't consider that sugery, there was no cutting or knocking me out, none of that.

[savepaws]

That would upset me too as that doesn't seem like surgery to me either! Maybe the doctors office or the insurance company made a mistake and entered it under the wrong category? It wouldn't hurt to call both places and see if a mistake was made?

[Danielle9608]

Aww that really stinks about the bill Sarah! I am praying for you that this is the cycle and you wont need to do the IUI. Good luck!!

[flyerso6]

well I really ovulated on my own.. the evil brown spotting is back, so im actually hoping im not pregnant. I almost called RE today to ask for progesterone but decided not too. I'm starting to think I have a LP defect. RE thinks I have poor ovulation and so the spotting occurs. It didn't happen on clomid though so I am hopefull. Can't wait for af to show so we can do IUI. I am a little scared though because if I do get preg 1st try, the timeing will be very very close to when I was preg last time. It will just be a little weird.

[Mrs.Goff]

Spotting at 7DPO "COULD" be implantation spotting. So :crossfingers:!

[flyerso6]

ugh I am having a bad day today... I think it is because we are getting so close to when I got pregnant the 1st time... (mid November). I never ever ever thought I would still be trying at the point. I remember the nurses at the hospital when I had my d&c that hopefully you'll be back here again this time next year only having a baby then... I always thought yeah maybe,, well thats not gonna happen now. Then I feel like such a jerk because when I find out about other people we know getting pregnant, i don't care, i feel cold and heartless and i feel bad about it. Like a girl DH and i used to work with is pregnant, she is only like 7 or 8 weeks, her and her b/f haven't been together more than a few months so i doubt they were trying, and im like ugh its so not fair. Then last night out of no where DH was talking baby stuff and asked if I still liked the names we had picked out the first time and I was like NO, which made me more sad. I have been doing so good dealing with this and now I am at a low point again.... I really wish i had someone to talk to, but only one friend knows about all this and I can tell she is sick of hearing about it.

Sorry for the rant.. I was hoping I'd feel better if I got it out.

[NOTKT]

Well sometimes you just have to vent! There will always be ups and downs and its understandable to be less than excited for others when they get pregnant, and those people definitely understand! Try to focus on the good things and remember that it happened for a reason. Your body said there was something wrong with that pregnancy, there was nothing you could have done. :sorry: I hope it gets better and keep trying!:hearts:

[Danielle9608]

Aww Sarah I wish I could give you a big hug. I know that you have been trying a little bit longer then I have, but I think I can understand where you are coming from. I too, also have a hard time being happy for people sometimes. The best advice I can give to you is start doing other things to take your mind off it. I started re-decorating my living room, and it's been a big help to take my mind off of it. I mean I know it's never too far from your mind, but sometimes you need a break, ya know. Hang in there hun. HUGS!

[LuLu86]

I understand ur upset. I'm sorry. hey u feel how ya feel!
It'll happen for ya. u deserve it doll!! :hug:

[flyerso6]

well it only gets worse... Today DH got laid off, so we might have to put iui off. He will get his job back in Jan. It wasn't totally unexpected but then again I didn't really think it would happen because he is the lowest paid person on his team, you would think to save money you would lay off the people making the big bucks. We should be ok and should still be able to do iui but well see.

But after hearing this the lay off isn't so bad..... We found out today that FIL has a malignant tumor on his esophagus..

Then while dh was on his way home from work a rock flew up and broke his windshield.. again (2nd time in 6 months).

Can I just re-do this entire day and have none of those things happen..

[FFC]

Oh noooooo what a miserable day! I'm sorry your day has been so miserable. My prayers are with your FIL that the doctors can help him.

[LuLu86]

oh honey. what a crappy day! your fam is in my prayers too!

[Brian's Bride]

Wow, what a TERRIBLE day! :hug: Sending hugs your way!

[brendalin]

Sorry to hear that you had such a bad day, hope that things get better for you really soon!:metoyou:

[Danielle9608]

Ugg, what a awful day! I am so sorry Sarah!

[savepaws]

Sorry you had such a bad day...when it rains it pours. :(

[flyerso6]

well FIL is having surgery next week to remove 1/3 of his stomach. The cancer is where his stomach and esophagus meet. Then he starts chemo. DH has been thinking very negative about the whole thing, saying stuff like this may be my dad's last christmas, its pretty heart breaking. I don't know how to help him because I have never been in the situation but i keep telling him to think positve and that there are lots of cancer survivors and he has no reason to think that his dad won't be one of them.

DH was talking about how we shouldn't do iui because he got laid off. I think he is right that its not a good finacial disicion. But we already have the money saved for it, and with his dad's condition maybe we shouldn't wait. Maybe having a grandchild on the way would give him something more to fight for, not that he doesn't have enough already. They were so excited when i was preg before that maybe if iui worked it would brighten things up a bit. But if the 1st try doesn't work we will have to wait until DH goes back to work to do another.

Tomorrow is 14 dpo, at least i think, the brown stuff has been pretty light, almost none existant, well actually none at all the last 2 days. I actually had pink spotting 2 days ago, not much at all just a little pink when i went to the potty. I am trying not to get my hopes up but maybe we won't have to do iui. I haven't had any symtoms other than a little tired but that happens before af as well. I have 1 test left from over the summer and I am thinking about using it tomorrow.

[FFC]

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you, and praying for your FIL. I think giving FIL something to look forward to is a great idea.

You know, 13 years ago, my grandma had lung cancer. She was given 90 days to live. This happened 3 times before she died 2 years ago. She lasted ELEVEN years after the doctors gave up on her - three times in that eleven years in fact. She was even up and about for most of that time.

I know it's hard, but try to keep FIL positive, and just be there for DH.

Hang in there!

[NOTKT]

I'm keeping you and your family in my prayers. I hope your FIL does well in surgery.

[flyerso6]

well I tested.. BFN. I shouldn't have wasted the test because my temp went down a little. But who can resist!! IUI here we come. DH got his last full check yesterday, we are going to try to save it to cover iui.. Hopefully af waits until Sunday because we are going to a Halloween party tomorrow night, but you know she likes to inconvience you, so I bet she shows today.

[FFC]

You know, I think every time but once when I've taken an HPT, I've got AF the same day :irked: kinda annoying!

[flyerso6]

well Af showed.. she couldn't have waited until tomorrow morning!! I am going to a Halloween party in a few hours and i feel like poo,I am actually impressed I ovulated on my own 2 months in a row, but 1st time was 27 day cycle and this time 36 day cycle. I bet this cycle would be even longer. So i'll start clomid on Monday (cd 3 - 7), and have a u/s sometime next week. I go back cd 12 for another u/s and hopefully everything looks good and I can do the trigger. I am praying this first cycle works. I am starting to wonder why I haven't got preg in the last 5 cycles, I have ovulated each one of them. I am hoping it is because my uterus is tilted and iui will get rid of that issue. This is a really bad dicision finacially but we have been trying almost 14 months now!! I don't want to wait 2 more. With cost of drugs and everything it is going to be around $750.

[flyerso6]

I had baseline u/s today. I am really getting sick of being poked and prodded. No cysts so I am good to go. I had ALOT of follicles on my left side and quite a few on my right side as well. All really small ones of coarse. So I paid and left and was about to walk on the elevator the nurse came running after me saying i have to do a blood preg test to make sure im not preg before doing clomid. She had forgot because they just started doing this. Im like well great, i hate needles and now I have to wait for the results before starting clomid. Im like I can assure you I am not preg, I almost didn't goto work today because i was bleeding so bad. I understand its protocol and they have to do it but i was kinda sad because I dislike needles.

My next u/s is a week from wednessday. Hopefully everything is good and we can trigger and do iui late next week!!

[Danielle9608]

Are you doing Clomid 5-9 with the trigger for the IUI?

[flyerso6]

i was doing clomid 3-7 with trigger and iui, but now due to their silly preg test before clomid rule and af starting on a saturday, I will be doing clomid 4-8 with trigger and iui. I was going to go ahead and take clomid cd 3 because i know I am not preg but decided to play by their rules.

Days 5-9 make me ovulate way too late, like cd 20ish.

[Danielle9608]

i was doing clomid 3-7 with trigger and iui, but now due to their silly preg test before clomid rule and af starting on a saturday, I will be doing clomid 4-8 with trigger and iui. I was going to go ahead and take clomid cd 3 because i know I am not preg but decided to play by their rules.

Days 5-9 make me ovulate way too late, like cd 20ish.

I have been hearing more people having luck with 3-7. If I don't get pregnant on this cycle I'm going to ask to switch. It's CD 17 for me and it doesn't look like I will ovulate for at least another 4 days.

[flyerso6]

i liked days 3-7 better. Im not sure about 4-8, but af didn't really really show until late Saturday so I guess 4 to 8 will be almost the same as 3-7 in my case this cycle. I ovulated earlier on 3-7, where 5-9 i didn't ovulate till like cd 20ish

[flyerso6]

so yesterday was my last day of clomid, and I was having what felt like O pains, DH is sick so BDing is out. I will be so mad if ovulate this early, i have to make till at least next Thursday or Friday for iui.

[Danielle9608]

Good luck Sarah!

[Danielle9608]

Sarah, here is the link that my pharmacy sent me about the shot.

http://www.villagefertilitypharmacy.com/ovidrel

[flyerso6]

well I had cd 12 scan today. I have 4 follies that were big enough to get measured and ALOT of little guys still. I had a 15 and a 13 on the left side and another 13 and an 11 on the right side. I have to go back friday morning for another scan and they are hopeing that 14 will be a 20. If it is they will do the trigger their in their office and we will do iui on saturday. so this will be a 24 hour iui because they aren't open on sundays. I am really hoping the 15 is a 20 otherwise I will need a 4th u/s this cycle and they are $150 a piece!

The nurse was also a little concerd that i have lost 3 lbs in the last month. They forgot to get my weight last week, so she made sure to get it today, she was mentioning how they need to monitor weight because hormones can make you gain weight, well turns out i lost 3 lbs which shouldn't have happend.. I didn't need to loose any weight as it was.

[flyerso6]

well i had another u/s this morning. It didn't go as planned. Last time i had 1 15mm, 2 13mm, and 1 11mm. This time I had 3 16mm and a 14mm. My lineing went from 6 to 8.5 though. It takes forever for my follicles to grow because I have so many all fighting for the same hormones. So instead of making me come back again they projected out. I am going to trigger Sunday night, and iui is scheduled for Tuesday morning.

The good news is I got the claim in the mail for my baseline u/s i had last week, and they paid for it!! well they paid for that one, i hope they pay for the 2 i had this week. I am assuming the code is the same so they should pay. This means iui is like $450 instead of $750 which is great.

The other good news is DH gets to go back to work next week instead of waiting until Jan. One of his co-workers got fired so they can afford to bring him back!! Which means if this iui is a bust we can try again in Dec.

[savepaws]

I hope the IUI is successful on Tuesday!! That's great that the insurance company paid for the first ultrasound. Hopefully they'll pay for the other 2. And that's really awesome news that DH got his job back. I just hope the good news keeps on coming your way! :crossfingers:

[Qtpie]

oh good luck on tuesday. I hope you get your BFP.

[Danielle9608]

Sorry the u/s didn't go as planned. Hopefully Tuesday goes off without a hitch! And YAY for getting insurance to pay for one u/s. Anf YAY for Hubby going back to work!

[Heywie]

Sounds like despite the bad news of the follicle growth, everything is appears to be going your way! I'm going to take all these signs as positive and say Tuesday will be it for you!

Best of luck! Keep us all posted!!! (like I even need to say that!)

[flyerso6]

well i took my trigger shot. i actually did it myself and it wasn't that bad, i didn't even feel anything.

[Danielle9608]

well i took my trigger shot. i actually did it myself and it wasn't that bad, i didn't even feel anything.

That's good news. Good luck with the IUI!

[flyerso6]

well we had our IUI. DH went in early for his "deposit" then we both we back a 2 hours later. Things were pretty crazy, first the RE had a student with him, which i said it was ok for her to observe, then the hospital commissioner was doing an inspection and also wanted to observe which I said no. DH joked we should charge admission since everyone wanted to watch.

DH had a high count (RE exact words) which made him all excited. IUI itself was pretty painful when they inserted the cathader. I am praying this is it, but I have my doubts. At least with DH back to work and this not costing nearly what we expected, if it doesn't work we can do it again right away. They even took $60 off the price of the sperm wash since we paid right then.

My ovaries and uterus were pretty sore yesterday but RE said that was to be expected since I had 3 eggs!! I am also praying that we don't end up with triplets! Im not a fan of the trigger shot either, i feel like I did when I was preg :-(. I am a little freaked out that if i do get bfp, this is almost the same exact timeing as when i was preg before. I will only be off by a couple days.

[gwenshack]

Glad to hear everything went well - I'm wishing the best for you! :crossfingers:

[FFC]

Wow Sarah! I'll hope for your sake you don't get triplets - but one or two would be nice this cycle!!

[KMS]

:crossfingers: I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you!

[Heywie]

Wow! I can't believe you finally got the IUI! It feels like you were waiting for so long!

I hope this is it for you, too! Good luck!

[Brian's Bride]

Possible triplets?!? One and done. How sweet would that be? I can't wait to find out if it worked!!!!

[Nekochanpurr]

Possible triplets?!? One and done. How sweet would that be? I can't wait to find out if it worked!!!!

I'm gunna have to vote with 'that would be pretty cool' heh.

[flyerso6]

Possible triplets?!? One and done. How sweet would that be? I can't wait to find out if it worked!!!!

Ok I don't want triplets. i am pretty small and if I had triplets I bet i would have to be on bed rest towards the end. And DH would have to quit his job because we can't afford day care times 3. I did have 3 eggs all the same size though. The chances of all 3 being good quality, getting fertilized, and implating is probably slim.

Twins would be GREAT!! I don't want to do all this again. If we only have one the first time I am starting to think he/she will be an only child.

[Danielle9608]

Good luck Sarah!

[savepaws]

Good luck, I hope it worked and that you end up with at least one baby! Two at once would be pretty darn cool! 3 would be a bit overwhelming!

[LuLu86]

i agree sarah the make one get one free thing is ok. lol but triplets is crazy! i bet you'll get a good one outta the bunch tho. my cuzin in law did 2 at a time and is having twins. a boy n a girl. good luck dear!

[flyerso6]

tomorrow is my progesterone test. I am sure I ovulated but will be pretty upset if I waited a whole week for nothing!! I kinda gave up on charting temps this cycle, its nice not having to worry about it.

The 2ww will become the 1ww tomorrow. I am debating on going and buying some preg tests and testing a day or 2 before my blood test on Dec 1st. But then i am like why waste the money.

[flyerso6]

progesterone was 30!!! they like it to be over 15, im not really sure what the threasholds are, but 30 means I did ovulate.

Before my m/c, progesterone was 9.

[FFC]

YAYYY that's good news!!! I reallyyyyy hope everything goes well this time for you - let's gooooo BFP!

[savepaws]

That's great!! Woo hoo!!! I can't wait to find out if it worked...I really hope it did. :crossfingers:

[Danielle9608]

Hey Sarah have you tested yet??

[starsthrumysoul]

Yea, tomorrow's the first.... have you tested yet?

[flyerso6]

no. I decided not to waste money on tests. I go for my beta tomorrow. If i even make it to tomorrow morning. I have been spotting since Saturday. I thought af was coming Saturday but that didn't make sense, that would have meant i o'ed a day before the trigger which my eggs weren't big enough. Spotting continued yesterday, and today. Now I am confused because I don't remember spotting like this when i was on clomid before. Maybe a few hours but not 3 days. I don't have af like symtoms but then again I usually dont.

I've already started the pity party for myself, ive been in a not so great mood since ive started spotting. I don't think i'll ever get pregnant.

[Danielle9608]

no. I decided not to waste money on tests. I go for my beta tomorrow. If i even make it to tomorrow morning. I have been spotting since Saturday. I thought af was coming Saturday but that didn't make sense, that would have meant i o'ed a day before the trigger which my eggs weren't big enough. Spotting continued yesterday, and today. Now I am confused because I don't remember spotting like this when i was on clomid before. Maybe a few hours but not 3 days. I don't have af like symtoms but then again I usually dont.

I've already started the pity party for myself, ive been in a not so great mood since ive started spotting. I don't think i'll ever get pregnant.

Hey don't give up. Maybe the spotting is a good thing. Maybe it just implantation spotting. Don't forget to give us and update after the beta test tomorrow!

[flyerso6]

i dont think it is implantation bleeding. My temp went down this morning. Not that I can use that as a good judgement since I haven't exactly been temping this cycle, but friday it was 98.6 (this was at 9am), this morning (5am) it was 97.97. Like I said I can't really base anything on that because it is different times of the day and the ceiling fan was on last night. but it is discuraging.


I am soo very close to just getting another dog.. I tried having the when do we give up convo with dh the other day and he didn't want to talk about it.

Im getting sick of my life revolving around ttc, all the dr.'s appointments, tired of lieing to my co-workers, tired of being afraid to go out and have drink every once in a while, worried that i am running too much, and living my life 2 weeks at a time.

[Danielle9608]

I am so sorry you are feeling this way. Maybe a month or two break would help. But please don't give up on having kids. You wouldn't let me give up and I am not letting you! HUGS hun, chin up.

[flyerso6]

we just took a 2 month break. I'll be ok in a few days. This is always the hardest part. its like everything else went right, even the timing seems perfect but it didn't work and I always ask myself why.

I am so afraid that i may have to eventually just accept the fact that i may not be able to have any children, I mean I can't do fertility treatments forever.

I really think clomid is the problem. I did 3 cycles all ovulatory and all bfn, not iui with clomid and probably bfn. This cycle i found out clomid gives me more than one good follicle and I don't have any lining issues, we don't have any sperm problems either so only thing the iui could have fixed was cm issues and still didn't work. I really want to just move on to injectables, but the RE was concered about my weight (or lack thereof) and injectables. I can't figure out the weight loss, over the summer clomid made me gain weight, now I am loosing weight. I have lost 2-3 more lbs in the last 2 weeks. The nurse is probably going to yell at me over that today. RE probably won't let me do injectables.

[FFC]

Good luck today at your appointment. :hug:

[savepaws]

Awwww, I hope you don't give up on it! I can't even imagine how discouraging it must be though. We are all rooting for you and sending lots of positive thoughts & prayers and baby dust your way. :heart:

[flyerso6]

it was negative, my progesterone is still too high for af to come. but now i have no explanation for the 4 days of spotting.

I don't know where to go from here. I had a good long cry and am just depressed.

[FFC]

it was negative, my progesterone is still too high for af to come. but now i have no explanation for the 4 days of spotting.

I don't know where to go from here. I had a good long cry and am just depressed.

I think that your idea of waiting 2 months is a healthy decision. I'm sorry today was not loaded with good news for you :( :hug:

[flyerso6]

we aren't waiting. We just took 2 months off. I'll never get anywhere if i have to take 2 months off for every month we try. DH thought maybe we should wait till after christmas so i am not stressed out for christmas, i was like i'll probably be more stressed if we take the month off because i won't know what is going on... will i ovulate, will i have to take provera again etc.

[FFC]

we aren't waiting. We just took 2 months off. I'll never get anywhere if i have to take 2 months off for every month we try. DH thought maybe we should wait till after christmas so i am not stressed out for christmas, i was like i'll probably be more stressed if we take the month off because i won't know what is going on... will i ovulate, will i have to take provera again etc.

I'm sorry, poor choice of words on my part. Taking 2 months off is what I meant :doh:

[flyerso6]

I'm sorry, poor choice of words on my part. Taking 2 months off is what I meant :doh:

its ok :-). I am doing better this morning, well except i didn't sleep well due to horrible cramps, still no af though. grr. We did get our tests back in class last night and I got an A which made me happy.

When af shows and i talk to the nurse again, I am going to express my concern about using clomid again, seriously 4 tries all ovulatory and bfn, maybe clomid is the problem.

DH thinks we are going to do all of this (fertiity treatments) they aren't going to work and we will end up getting preg on our own after we give up. How encoraging. I am very temped the just go on bc for 1 cycle, stop and try on our own, that is how i got preg the 1st time.

unfortunately i think i am going to have to tell people at work what is going on. I can't keep making up stuff for why i have been using a lot of sick and regular vacation time.

We have also decided that if we aren't preg by May, we are going on another cruise for our 2nd anniversay (5/12). alone this time ;-)

[Danielle9608]

I am sorry the IUI didn't work! Are you going to try another? What about back to back IUI's? Hey please don't give up though. With how far science has come, there has to be something out there that will work for you. I have a good feeling that 2010 will be a lucky year for both of us!

[Goin2thechapel]

I know that when you're trying soo hard, the last person you want to take advice from is someone that's already pregnant (or at least that's how I was when TTC) but I want to say something.

We tried months of Clomid (200 mg) and hubby had poor swimmers. I went in for an HSG and everything was clear. DH and I just kinda threw our hands up and had no idea where to go from here. We were seeing a doctor at a fertility medical center (saw him once) and he was nice. He wanted to try the clomid and IUI after this cycle ended. We found out 3 weeks before our first consult for artificial insemination that we were expecting.
We weren't trying since we were trying to finish up the home improvement projects and we could only squeeze in 2 BD session for the entire month.

I only say this (not to upset you) but to let you know that for us, the one month that we didn't make babymaking consume our life was the month it happened.

:hugs:

[FFC]

I think you and DH need to go on some sort of vacation, pregnant or not. You two have definitely earned it!

Congrats on the test! What a relief amongst a lot of stress :hug:

[savepaws]

I'm sorry this is so depressing and frustrating for you. :hug: I think going a cruise is a great idea but I'll keep my fingers crossed that you get pregnant before then! :crossfingers:

[flyerso6]

yeah i know taking a break works in a lot of cases, except I don't ovulate on my own making it impossible to get preg. while taking a break. On the rare occasions I do ovulate on my own it is poor qaulity so I woudn't even want to get preg.

I think clomid is the problem. I called RE office today and discussed my clomid concerns. The RE recommnded another 50mg clomid and iui this cycle. I so don't want to use clomid again, i feel like i am wasting my time and money. Yes I ovulate but aparently something is wrong. The nurse even said herself (after I was forcefull about my concerns) it isn't all about ovulating, it is about having a good egg in one of those follicles. So the good news is..... no more clomid.

We are doing femara (which I am shocked that they use it, I have never heard that as being an option from them until today) along with injectables. I don't remember which injectable drug she said though (it was loud at the gym and I could barely hear her). I do femara 5 days then 5 or 6 days of injectables. Then trigger and iui. The reason for the combo is because it brings down the risk of multiples that a injectable only cycle has.

Now if only af would show. Unfortunely I could have a cyst which is causing progesterone to stay up, if I do have a cyst I have to sit out this cycle.

[FFC]

I'm glad you got a plan and some answers!

[savepaws]

Yay for no more clomid! Hopefully the femera or injectables or whatever they decide to use will do the trick!

[flyerso6]

yeah and hopefully less side effects than clomid. I know femara has less side effects. Please Please no more hot flashes until menopause haha.

[Danielle9608]

I am glad you don't have to do the clomid anymore. I was so excited when my RE told me I didn't have to do it anymore. I was thinking about you yesterday and wondering if the reason it didn't work is because the clomid thinned out your uterus lining and the embryo can't implant. Either way, YAY for no more clomid!

[Danielle9608]

yeah i know taking a break works in a lot of cases, except I don't ovulate on my own making it impossible to get preg. while taking a break. On the rare occasions I do ovulate on my own it is poor qaulity so I woudn't even want to get preg.

I think clomid is the problem. I called RE office today and discussed my clomid concerns. The RE recommnded another 50mg clomid and iui this cycle. I so don't want to use clomid again, i feel like i am wasting my time and money. Yes I ovulate but aparently something is wrong. The nurse even said herself (after I was forcefull about my concerns) it isn't all about ovulating, it is about having a good egg in one of those follicles. So the good news is..... no more clomid.

We are doing femara (which I am shocked that they use it, I have never heard that as being an option from them until today) along with injectables. I don't remember which injectable drug she said though (it was loud at the gym and I could barely hear her). I do femara 5 days then 5 or 6 days of injectables. Then trigger and iui. The reason for the combo is because it brings down the risk of multiples that a injectable only cycle has.

Now if only af would show. Unfortunely I could have a cyst which is causing progesterone to stay up, if I do have a cyst I have to sit out this cycle.

Sarah I came across a really good site that explains all about injectables and each kind.

http://www.bocafertility.com/gonadotropin.aspx

[flyerso6]

clomid didn't thin out my lining. I just think it doesn't stimulate good quality eggs, for me anyways.

Well I have to sit out this month. I have a 12mm cyst. But if it is gone when af comes next time we are doing femara and Follistim, along with ovidrel and iui. Needless to say this has been a terrible week.

[Danielle9608]

I am so sorry to hear about the cyst. But I am not going to lie to you. I have 3 last month that size and they really hurt when they rupture. Hopefully it ruptures with little or no pain and you can get on with the next treatment.

[flyerso6]

so af showed today, just like her to come on a holiday, when RE office and pharmacies are closed. RE message said if cd 1 is on thur or fri, just show up at their office Saturday morning. Now my problem is finding a pharmacy that is open and has Femara!! grr, I usually goto cvs which usually has to order odd percriptions and they aren't open today and I need this by sunday morning yikes!! Maybe RE office has some..

I really hope the cyst is gone too.

[FFC]

Of course she shows up on a day like today. I hope you can find a pharmacy with Femara that's open tomorrow!

[Heywie]

That's just like Aunt Flo to show up when it's the least convenient!

At least she came though and you can get moving with this cycle!

[FFC]

So were you able to find the Femara?

[flyerso6]

Yes, but the cyst was still there same size and all. Now they aren't even sure if it is a cyst because it looks like it is outside of my ovary, maybe more in my tube, but my HSG was normal so they aren't sure.

She made it seem as if we can go ahead, but wanted the Dr approval. Well being a saturday he wasn't there. She was supposed to call him to see if we should go ahead or wait then call me (the same day). She NEVER called me back!! I have no way to get a hold of the dr. I was supposed to start Femara today, which I did find. But i didn't take it because I never got a go ahead. I am going to call tomorrow and see what is going on and tell them I don't appriciate her leaving me not knowing what to do like that.

I thought about taking it anyways but they still need to order my follistim and I need it by wednessday, which I dount I can get by then considering it hasn't even been orderd... I think we will be taking another month off.. GRRRR

[Danielle9608]

Argg I am so frusterated for you. Maybe you could take the Femara CD 5-10 instead? I am hoping this doesn't cost you another month that just sucks!

[flyerso6]

Well one of the nurses called me this morning, I was going to call them but she beat me to it. She only called because she had a message that she needed to order my meds. Apparently the nurse on Saturday did talk to the dr. who said I could go ahead this cycle and they will just watch whatever the thing is, but she didn't call me. I can take the Femara days 4-8 instead of 3-7 and that is completely fine, and I still start the follistim day 7. So there will be 2 days that I will be taking both. I am praying I don't overstim.

I got the Follistim ordered today, I was going to order my Ovidrel too But it was like 70 something YIKES. I will just get it from cvs.

[savepaws]

That's great you can go ahead with the Femara. I'd be so annoyed with that nurse! Sounds like the nurses at my OB-GYN clinic. I hope the femara works for you!

[Danielle9608]

Sarah you are being monitored right? Do you have the option to convert your IUI to IVF if there are too many eggs? I have to get my Ovidrel from a special fertility pharmacy, it was $45 the last time I got it. I wonder if it's going to go up cause the new year.

[flyerso6]

Yes I am being monitored. I haven't really asked about the converting to IVF thing because we can't afford it. Insurance doesn't pay for iui or ivf. Ivf was $8,000 (prices went up so I have no idea how much it is now). I am sure converting mid cycle isn't as much but we more than likely still can't afford it. I am going to be on a very small dose of Follistim, only 75 ui for 6 days I think. Too many eggs is also the reason we are going femara + follistim instead of completly follistim. The idea is to get a few good eggs started then get them mature with follistim, instead of starting with a bunch. I respond excellent to 50mg of clomid but after 4 tries and ovulating each time something has to be wrong.

I am not really sure what was up with the ovidrel being so expensive from the specialty pharmacy, I can get it at cvs for my $45 co-pay. What is sad is that I am only paying $35 for the follistim which is very expensive, and $45 for ovidrel that isn't expensive at all. (I think full price is 70 something, where as follistim full price is in the thousands)

[flyerso6]

Not much to update on but just wanted to say that Femara is much better than Clomid in the side effects because so far I haven't had any, yay for no hot flashes. But i have been having what feels like ovulation pain on my left side, It is way too early for that. I still have 2 more days of clomid and 6 days of injections left. My u/s isn't until tuesday. The cyst is on the right side but I guess the pain could possibly be from it rupturing. Hopefully all goes well!!

I go pick up my injection stuff tonight, please let it be as pain free as the trigger shot was.

Also another bit of info, I have been reading and found that alot of women with pcos and normal weight (therefore more than likely not using metformin ) have had more success with femara than clomid.

[Heywie]

I'm glad to hear the Femara is so much better than the clomid right now. Let's just hope it works!

I'm crossing my fingers for you that the injections are pain free!

This will be your cycle! I'm sending lots of positive energy your way!

[flyerso6]

This is mostly for Danielle, but. I did my first follistim shot last night. It wasn't bad at all. Setting up the pen for the first time took a while because I was worried I would mess it up. It wasn't exactly painful but it did sting a bit more than the Ovidrel shot. I think the needles may be a tad bit larger. But I am sure you can do it if I can, I am a wimp when it comes to needles and have nearly passed out a few times when getting blood drawn and especially when getting an IV or seeing someone else get a shot.

[Danielle9608]

Are you shots in pen form and you screw a disposal needle on them? I had my appointment with the nurse last week about it and since them I am a lot less nervous. Do you do yours in the stomach?

[Brian's Bride]

I'm happy to hear the Femara is treating you better than the Clomid! I dread going back on Clomid for our next LO! I give you major kudos for giving yourself shots! I'm not sure if I could do that!!

[flyerso6]

Are you shots in pen form and you screw a disposal needle on them? I had my appointment with the nurse last week about it and since them I am a lot less nervous. Do you do yours in the stomach?

Yeah they are in a pen. You put the cartridge in the pen, then put on disposable needle.

[flyerso6]

well today is my follie check. DH gave my eggs a pep talk last night haha. I am praying all goes well. I just don't want to have this cycle cancelled, and I don't particularly want to do anymore injections other than the trigger shot. Each day it seems like the injection hurt more than the day before.

On another note, last night we found out a friend is pregnant. I knew they were trying because she was talking to me how the have been trying like 4 or 5 months and she was worried something was wrong, and I was telling her it can take a normal couple up to a year. Don't get my wrong I am happy for them BUT when DH told me I almost started crying because it is so not fair. We have been trying for 16 months now and it seems like nothing is going to work. What is more sad is I have been seriously thinking more about the possibility that we may never have a kid and starting to accept that.

[Danielle9608]

Yeah they are in a pen. You put the cartridge in the pen, then put on disposable needle.

ah yours sounds different then they ones I have.

[Danielle9608]

well today is my follie check. DH gave my eggs a pep talk last night haha. I am praying all goes well. I just don't want to have this cycle cancelled, and I don't particularly want to do anymore injections other than the trigger shot. Each day it seems like the injection hurt more than the day before.

On another note, last night we found out a friend is pregnant. I knew they were trying because she was talking to me how the have been trying like 4 or 5 months and she was worried something was wrong, and I was telling her it can take a normal couple up to a year. Don't get my wrong I am happy for them BUT when DH told me I almost started crying because it is so not fair. We have been trying for 16 months now and it seems like nothing is going to work. What is more sad is I have been seriously thinking more about the possibility that we may never have a kid and starting to accept that.


Don't give up Sarah! You have to believe that this is going to work. Positive thoughts! HUGS!!

[savepaws]

Good luck today! I hope it goes well!

[flyerso6]

Well follicle check went well, i think. I had a 19, 17, and 3 15s... Yes 5! I triggerd last night in hopes that the 15s won't catch up.

I am worried that the 19 is the cyst though. The dr. doesn't think it is because of the placement even though the cyst was on the right side and the 19 is on the right side, and that would mean the cyst only grew 4mm where as the others got as big as 15mm hmm. Maybe the cyst ruptured??

And my estrogen was 315, she said if it is over 100 it means mature follicles. My lining was a 12 though which is great, on clomid it was only 9.

IUI is tomorrow. Hopfully it is the last one.

[Goin2thechapel]

OMG Sarah, Those are AWESOME numbers all around!!!!!!! Good luck, and I have my fingers tightly crossed for you!!

[Danielle9608]

Good luck today!

[savepaws]

Good luck!! :crossfingers:

[FFC]

Good luck Sarah! I hope your IUI is successful this time!!!

[Heywie]

That's awesome news! It's time for a successful IUI!!!

[NOTKT]

I'll be thinking about you today! Good Luck!

[flyerso6]

Good luck today!


Its tomorrow, not today. :-)

[savepaws]

Oops!! Well good luck tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :crossfingers:

[FFC]

Good luck today Sarah!!!!! :crossfingers:

[flyerso6]

Well that was pretty painful. He said my cervix didn't want to cooperate. I was in a lot of pain the rest the of the day. he said we should bd last night but there was no way i was going to feeling like that. He said the 15's should have caught up, and the 19 more than likely was the cyst (why don't the nurses have the correct info grr!!) But I had at least one mature egg, and more than likely had 4 mature eggs. Great now im going to end up with quadruplets. Twins would be nice but quadruplets would not.

I really hope that worked.

[Danielle9608]

I really hoped it worked Sarah and you don't end up with 4 babies!

[flyerso6]

i dislike the 2ww. and I have been having so many baby dreams. When I wake up I am so sad and want to go back to sleep and enjoy my dream. DH had a baby dream the other day too.. Hopefully its a sign. My left ovary (had 3 eggs) and uterus are still pretty sore today.

[Danielle9608]

Sarah when you testing? I want to mark it on my calendar! :p

[Danielle9608]

i dislike the 2ww. and I have been having so many baby dreams. When I wake up I am so sad and want to go back to sleep and enjoy my dream. DH had a baby dream the other day too.. Hopefully its a sign. My left ovary (had 3 eggs) and uterus are still pretty sore today.

Did you go back to work after the IUI? My doctor said I could but after hearing how much pain your in I'm starting to rethink it.

[savepaws]

I hope it was successful Sarah! Sorry it hurt so bad, I'm praying that it was all worth it!!

[flyerso6]

Did you go back to work after the IUI? My doctor said I could but after hearing how much pain your in I'm starting to rethink it.

No I didn't go back to work. DH works soo early 6am-2 and having iui at 10:30 and he works an hour away there is really no point in him going back to work so I just stayed home too. I didn't go back after my 1st iui either but it wasn't nearly as painful, well it was painfull while it happened but not after. This time i was in a lot of pain until I got up the next morning. I don't want to scare you but even the impact of walking hurt my uterus. It may have been because I had so many eggs too, so I don't know if it was iui pain or ovulation pain or both.

As far as testing... I dunno I think I will just wait until my beta on the 28th. I don't have any tests and I hate buying them. I also don't want a false positive from the trigger.

[firespirit]

Wow I just read your story. I don't make it out of the private journals much. I do hope everything worked for you this month!

[Danielle9608]

Are you having any symptoms? LOL I don't know if I can wait till the 28th to find out!!

[flyerso6]

Are you having any symptoms? LOL I don't know if I can wait till the 28th to find out!!

egh not really, it has only been 5 days and any symtoms are more than likely from the ovidrel. I have been peeing alot, but probably from trigger.

[Danielle9608]

Thanks for mentioning that the trigger can give you a false positive. I totally didn't know that.

[flyerso6]

well progesterone was 53.6.. Last cycle it was 30 I think. The nurse seems awfully excited but Im not getting my hopes up as progesterone only says you ovulated and nothing else.

[firespirit]

well progesterone was 53.6.. Last cycle it was 30 I think. The nurse seems awfully excited but Im not getting my hopes up as progesterone only says you ovulated and nothing else.


I don't know anything about progesterone but I'm keeping my :crossfingers: for you.

How long until the trigger shot would be out of your system?

[Danielle9608]

well progesterone was 53.6.. Last cycle it was 30 I think. The nurse seems awfully excited but Im not getting my hopes up as progesterone only says you ovulated and nothing else.

Sarah that sounds like awesome news!! I can't wait to hear you announce your BFP!!

[savepaws]

That's great! I hope you get a BFP!

[Danielle9608]

Sarah I am just curious, what CD did you do the trigger? And what CD did you have the IUI?

[flyerso6]

Sarah I am just curious, what CD did you do the trigger? And what CD did you have the IUI?

this time my folliciles were mature on cd 12 u/s so I triggered on cd 12 and iui on cd 14.

[Danielle9608]

Only 2 more days till your beta test!! Any symptoms yet??!

[savepaws]

What is the trigger? Does it trigger ovulation or something? I have heard it mentioned several times but never really understood what it was.

[Danielle9608]

What is the trigger? Does it trigger ovulation or something? I have heard it mentioned several times but never really understood what it was.

Exactly that. Ovidrel (the trigger both Sarah and I use) helps follicles mature & it also trigger the release of the matured eggs from the ovaries. I hope this answers your question. :p

[savepaws]

Exactly that. Ovidrel (the trigger both Sarah and I use) helps follicles mature & it also trigger the release of the matured eggs from the ovaries. I hope this answers your question. :p

Yes it does, thanks Danielle!

[flyerso6]

Only 2 more days till your beta test!! Any symptoms yet??!

ugh, not really. My boobs are sore but i dunno. I was feeling really positive until this morning my temp was down a little. I don't know why i let that get me down because a. I don't do it regularly, and b. i have to get up in the middle of the night to let the dogs out. So now i wouldn't be surprised if it were negative.

If it is negative, I am going to start to question my diagnosis. Yes I do have pcos, i can see with my own 2 eyes everytime I have a u/s. But maybe one of us have a genetic issue. The numbers were amazing this time, you can't tell me the egg and sperm didn't meet and it didn't get fertilized. My lining was great, my follicle size was great, my estrogen level was good, my progesterone was amazing...

[Danielle9608]

Sarah, don't get so down over on little temp. Try to stay positive for 2 more days. Remember thinking positive leads to a positive!

[KMS]

Sarah, don't get so down over on little temp. Try to stay positive for 2 more days. Remember thinking positive leads to a positive!

Well said, Danielle! :hearts:

[Heywie]

Sarah, don't get so down over on little temp. Try to stay positive for 2 more days. Remember thinking positive leads to a positive!

:yeah_that:

No point in getting down yet!

[flyerso6]

when you have been ttc for 16 months, had LOTS of great responses to meds and treatments yet all bfn you can't help but to get down.

[FFC]

when you have been ttc for 16 months, had LOTS of great responses to meds and treatments yet all bfn you can't help but to get down.


:hug: I'm thinkin' about you and wish you luck with your test.

[savepaws]

:hug: I really hope you get that BPF.

When is your test?

[Heywie]

Trust me, I understand it's easy to get down in the dumps when you've been going at this for so long. Try to keep your head up and I'll stay positive for you!!!

[saltyveruca]

Good luck today!

[flyerso6]

the test is tomorrow morning. My temp was high this morning, maybe yesterday was a fluke.. I am not getting my hopes up though.

[savepaws]

I'll be thinking of you!!! I hope you get :bfp: !!

[flyerso6]

ahh, im so nervous!! My appointment is at 7am, but who knows when they will call with the results, probably around 1 or 2. My temps are still high, the other day must have been a fluke and it was way too late for an implantation dip. No symtoms other than sore boobs and ive been having stomach has hurt the last 3 days (not nausea), but i think i ate something bad. so we will see....

[Danielle9608]

You are probably at your appointment right now. Just wanted to say good luck!

[Jacklynn]

Good Luck! I can't wait to hear how it went.

[Goin2thechapel]

good luck!!!!!