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Kfancii
04-08-2009, 10:44 AM
So last night I met with an Investment Company that buys houses, rehabs them if they need it, and then puts them on the market to sell "Owner Financed" so the properties are available to buyers who might not be able to get bank financing right away. The young man I met with was very nice, seemed to be pretty bright and knew his business. He and his wife have been in this business for 6 years and seem to be quite successful at it.

He looked at my house, and then we ran the numbers - He tries to get you the same money you would if you sold it through a realtor. Let's just say it wasn't pretty - I knew that I was not going to make money on the house, but hoped that I would come close to breaking even. Well, the bottom line was that after negotiating the price of the house, closing costs, holding fees and realtor commissions, I was going to have to come up with $5700 to pay at closing for them to buy my house. I had made up my mind that I would take up to a $5000.00 loss on the house just to get out, so honestly the extra $700 wasn't a deal breaker for me. What ended up being the deal breaker was the "sales" process. When the investment company "buys" your house, they are only transferring the house into their name and taking over your payments. The "sell" the house to a new buyer, but basically collect rent for up to 2 years to allow the buyer to build up credit to qualify for a mortgage loan. They do not pay off my mortgage in full until the new buyer gets that loan. So, that means I still have a big mortgage in my name, but someone else is managing the house, and there are people living it in as theirs, making changes, etc. but I would ultimately be responsible should either the buyer or investment company default on the note. I knew it was too good to be true!

I'm so frustrated right now with the whole housing market and trying to sell this house. I have gone the route of hiring a realtor who didn't do much to get the house sold, sure she showed it a few times and had it on MLS, but there were never any flyers in the box when I went to the house. I then thought about renting the house and had the realtor looking for a qualified renter when she got an application from an 18 year old "gang banger" (his realtors words) wanting to live in the house with his 18 year old girlfiend, his 17 year old sister, and a 7 month old baby. My DH said no way and we took the house off the rental market. With the fair housing act in place, you can't discriminate and turn folks down for anything other than a poor credit score or bad rental history. This kid had a 750 credit score which is great, but no rental history as he lived with Dad, and he and his sister worked for Dad. It just wasn't a good situation.

I even tried to get one of my friends to "housesit" for me for the next year so the house wouldn't be vacant and made her the offer to live in the house rent free (I would pay the mortgage payments) if she would pay the utilities. That means she could have lived in the house for a year for about $350 a month and she turned me down because my house is located about 20 miles outside of Austin. When I was renting, I would have jumped at an offer like that from a friend!

I just don't know what to do next- My house is about an hours drive from DH's house and as long as I don't have a renter or housesitter, that means we have to drive there every week to do the yard or pay more money out of my pocket (I'm spending about $1200 a month for mortgage and utilities as it is now for a house I'm not living in) to hire someone to keep up the yard. Thankfully, I can currently afford the payments, but it means that I can't contribute much to our current household, so some of our projects keep getting put off.

I know owning a home is the American Dream, but right now I feel like owning my house is becoming a nightmare! Thanks for letting me vent.

SerendipityCrafts
04-08-2009, 10:55 AM
Awww crud!

I agree with you re: the financing company. The whole thing sounds a bit fishy actually. I mean, if you wanted to do something whereby you would still be ultimately responsible for the mortgage, you could put it up for "rent to own" yourself (and you could interview the applicants)!

What is to say that these people wouldn't trash the place and pull a midnight move or even qualify for a mortgage in the end?

BTW - your friend is an idiot. That sounds like a great deal - even if it does mean a longer commute.

Kfancii
04-08-2009, 11:06 AM
Awww crud!

I agree with you re: the financing company. The whole thing sounds a bit fishy actually. I mean, if you wanted to do something whereby you would still be ultimately responsible for the mortgage, you could put it up for "rent to own" yourself (and you could interview the applicants)!

What is to say that these people wouldn't trash the place and pull a midnight move or even qualify for a mortgage in the end?

BTW - your friend is an idiot. That sounds like a great deal - even if it does mean a longer commute.


Thanks Elizabeth- the investment company typically works with people who are in financial crisis and about to lose their houses, so I wasn't a typical customer for them, but I thought it didn't hurt to check out what options they offered. There are other companies that cash out the owner when they buy, but they only pay 70% of the home value which means that I would get an offer of about $65K, leaving me a deficit of $20K to pay off the mortgage. Again, not an option.

Yeah, I think she is crazy too! She is currently living in a tiny 1 bedroom apartment, wants a dog but can't have one there, has horrible loud neighbors on one side and the tennis courts on the other. Now a group of guys are playing some sort of game on the tennis courts til all hours of the night and she complains constantly. I really thought she would jump at the chance to have a house that she could do what she wanted with. (I told her she would paint anything she wanted and make it hers while she lived there as long as she either ran it by me and I approved of the paint colors or she painted it back to white before she left.) Even her FH told her she was nuts for not taking me up on my offer! They are not getting married for a while and he lives about 2 hours from her now so he said in a year they could look for something inbetween to buy together. Oh well- I gave her a month to mull it all over and do the pros and cons and after doing a ton of wavering back and forth, she said no. Now I move on to plan b- I just have to figure out what that is again!

HisDelightfulFaerie
04-08-2009, 11:38 AM
I would try renting again. Just sit in place that you need people to have an established rental history. There's nothing wrong with that and that would have cut ol' dude out from jumpstreet.

Danielle9608
04-08-2009, 12:26 PM
Oh Kelly I really feel for you, because I am frustrated too! I really would have liked to sell our townhouse and move into a single family before trying for kids, but it meant us taking about a 10k loss or more. I don't blame you for being uncomfortable with the process. What happens if the company goes bankrupt, then what happens to you credit? I totally wish I lived near you I would have jumped on house sitting rent free! I have no advice I just wanted to say I am so sorry and understand what you are going threw. Vent away!

MrsDM
04-08-2009, 12:58 PM
Oh no! Kelly, I'm sorry you are still stuck with your house! I'm telling ya, you can't even touch a house (no matter the condition) for that price up here. I too, can't believe your friend didn't take the oppotunity to live there. Not only is she helping a friend out, she is also living for next to nothing.

I know your frustrations about wanting to just get out and pay a price to do so. Even though FH and I broke even with our loan on the condo, we had to bring about $1200 for the title transfer, recording fees, etc. We didn't want to, but it really was a small price to pay to finally get in a house. Knowing now your situation and Danielle's, we should be really be lucky that is all we had to put towards it.

I'm really hoping something turns for you, soon! Hang in there!

Kfancii
04-08-2009, 02:06 PM
Oh no! Kelly, I'm sorry you are still stuck with your house! I'm telling ya, you can't even touch a house (no matter the condition) for that price up here. I too, can't believe your friend didn't take the oppotunity to live there. Not only is she helping a friend out, she is also living for next to nothing.

I know your frustrations about wanting to just get out and pay a price to do so. Even though FH and I broke even with our loan on the condo, we had to bring about $1200 for the title transfer, recording fees, etc. We didn't want to, but it really was a small price to pay to finally get in a house. Knowing now your situation and Danielle's, we should be really be lucky that is all we had to put towards it.

I'm really hoping something turns for you, soon! Hang in there!

Thanks Jeanne! Yeah, I was really surprised she didn't take me up on it too, but I guess it just wasn't right for her. I would rather have her tell me no than move in and be unhappy though.

I think you and Dan should count your blessings that things went as well as they did for in your house hunt with both buying and selling. I know you had your frustrations too, but in today's market I think you did great! Just think, I am spending what you spent monthly with no sign of getting out in sight!

I am really contemplating putting a sign in the yard "For Sale By Owner" and seeing what happens. If I cut out the realtor, I can sell the house for less money and maybe not take such a beating. My SIL is a lawyer and works with real estate developers for a living, so she could do all the legal paperwork for me and I could just pay her. That would save me the realtor fees of about $6000.00. In the meantime I also have the word out to my friends that I would like to find a renter. I just don't want to open it up to just anyone again for fear of getting someone in there that would destroy the house.

Danielle9608
04-08-2009, 02:10 PM
Thanks Jeanne! Yeah, I was really surprised she didn't take me up on it too, but I guess it just wasn't right for her. I would rather have her tell me no than move in and be unhappy though.

I think you and Dan should count your blessings that things went as well as they did for in your house hunt with both buying and selling. I know you had your frustrations too, but in today's market I think you did great! Just think, I am spending what you spent monthly with no sign of getting out in sight!

I am really contemplating putting a sign in the yard "For Sale By Owner" and seeing what happens. If I cut out the realtor, I can sell the house for less money and maybe not take such a beating. My SIL is a lawyer and works with real estate developers for a living, so she could do all the legal paperwork for me and I could just pay her. That would save me the realtor fees of about $6000.00. In the meantime I also have the word out to my friends that I would like to find a renter. I just don't want to open it up to just anyone again for fear of getting someone in there that would destroy the house.

Have you thought about http://www.isoldmyhouse.com/ ?

Kfancii
04-08-2009, 02:23 PM
Have you thought about http://www.isoldmyhouse.com/ ?

No I haven't! Thanks for the link - I will check it out! I will most likely list it on Craigslist here too, but sometimes I think CL is hard to navigate!

FFC
04-09-2009, 04:49 PM
Wow.... that deal sounds fishy to me. I'm sorry it's such a headache for you!

Send me the house info and I'll list it for ya :) I'm a CL wh*re LOL!!!